APCCIRN-021

APCCIRN-021

1993.02.06

Secretariat

APCCIRN Meeting Minutes -- 1993.1.12-13

This document contains minutes of the first official APCCIRN meeting was held

in 1993.1.12-13 at the Hyatt Regency, Waikiki, Honolulu.

The meeting agenda is in Appendix A. The attendees were:

Australia G. Huston

R. Erskine

China Chi Huishen

Chen Baojue(of Beijing University)

Fiji J. Clayton

Hong Kong K.H. Poon

John Dockerill (of Polytechnic of Hong Kong)

Japan J. Murai

S. Asano

H. Gunji

A. Aaizawa

Korea K. Chon

IK Oh

Singapore Sylvia Yap(sylvia@solomon)

Taiwan Hsu, Kuo-chen(hsu@netrd.net.tw)

Thailand P. Poomvises

Yunyong Teng-amnuay

PACCOM Jodi Chu

PNC C. Hardyck

D. Wasley

CA*net B. Sheehan

USA L. Landweber

0. Background

The establishment of APCCIRN was discussed during INET'91 in Copenhagen in

June 1991. Several preliminary meetings were held. The first preliminary

meeting was held during the PACCOM meeting in Honolulu in August 1991, which

elected two acting co-chairs; S. Asano and R. Erskine to hold the first

official APCCIRN meeting. The second preliminary meeting was held during the

CCIRN meeting in Santa Fe, USA in November 1991, which mainly focused on the

IBM proposal for survey of the Asian Pacific region. The third preliminary

meeting was held during the CCIRN meeting in Tokyo in June 1992, which elected

the acting chair, K. Chon to hold the first official meeting. Terms of

Reference for APCCIRN was drafted last summer through networked discussion.

The initial set of documents such as country survey, member lists and the

international link list were developed. (See the APCCIRN Document List in

cosmos.kaist.ac.kr for detail information.)

1. Review of the APCCIRN documents

Terms of Reference(001) and Member List(002) were reviewed, and no corrections

were made. Other documents(005, 007, and 008) were decided to be reviewed in

5. Country/Network/Project Report.

2. Work Items

2.1 Traffic Analysis

Traffic analysis was not discussed due to lack of contribution papers. This

item was postponed to future APCCIRN meetings.

2.2 Internationalization and Localization(I18N/L10N)

The internationalization and localization was discussed in detail.

Unfortunately, J. Hwang who coordinated the item could not attend the meeting.

He submitted the contribution paper. It was decided that J. Murai as well as

J. Hwang to coordinate with cooperation of members from other countries. Some

Japanese effort is archived in JAPAN/mule/* in sh.wide.ad.jp. Other countries

such as Korea and Taiwan support local languages substantially.

2.3 Link/Connection Model

This item was combined with 3.1 GIX. G. Huston made the presentation, and

recommended appropriate link and route coordination between AP Region and USA

including GIX. He suggested the need of operator's forum. It was decided to

recommend his suggestion to CCIRN. See Appendix B for the complete text.

2.4 Funding/Charging Model

The issue was discussed in detail at the last PACCOM meeting in August 1992,

and G. Huston will submit the output document to APCCIRN. There was the

comment in floor that the half circuit policy was unstable, and the "weakest"

pays full circuit cost.

2.5 NIC

The NIC for APCCIRN Region(APNIC) was discussed. The APNIC's scope was defined

as

Resource Registration

Information Provision

NOC Support

NIC Cooperation

It was decided for JNIC(M. Hirabaru and J. Murai) to carry on APNIC experiment

with cooperation of other countries including Australia, Korea and New Zealand.

The scope of the APNIC experiment was defined, and the description was attached

in Appendix C.

3. Discussions for February CCIRN Meeting

3.1 CCIRN v.s. Internet Society (for AP Region)

This item was discussed in detail. There was some concern on relationship

between CCIRN and IEPG as CCIRN does not give tasks to IEPG contrary to the

CCIRN's charter. APCCIRN strongly recommended that CCIRN and IEPG to cooperate

with commercial operators such as inclusion of the commercial operators as

IEPG members. It was recommended that CCIRN and Internet Society to cooperate

more closely. APCCIRN will explore on active cooperation with Internet Society.

3.2 X.500

Paradise Project was explained briefly. Japan and Australia among other

countries cooperate with the project now. Other countries are encouraged to

cooperate. The localization, i.e., local language support was commented in

2.2 I18N/L10N.

4. Election of APCCIRN Officers

The following persons were elected to Chairs:

Kilnam Chon APCCIRN Chair, and

Jun Murai APEPG Chair.

The following persons participate the February CCIRN Meeting;

S. Asano

H. Cho

K. Chon

H. Ishida

J. Murai

5. Country/Network/Project Reports

5.1 Thailand

Thailand established the 9.6 Kbps leased line to UUNET last year. It has the

9.6 Kbps leased line to AIT in Thailand, and expects another leased line to

Changmai University.

5.2 Vietnam

Institute of Informatics in Hanoi had experimental dialup connection to

Karlsruhe University in Germany last fall. K. Chon is following up on the

connection, and visits Hanoi in February 1993.

5.3 Pacific Neighborhood Consortium(PNC)

Pacific Neighborhood Consortium was presented by J. Hardyck with the information

package of its meeting, which took place following APCCIRN at the same location.

PNC is a meta-network focusing on networked information among the Pacific rim,

similar to the successful Coalition of Networked Information in USA.

5.4 Pacific Islands

J. Clayton of University of South Pacific in Fiji presented the University of

South Pacific Network spanning the following campus of the South Pacific

countries:

Fiji, Niue, Cook Islands, Tonga, Western Samoa, Tuvalu, Kiribati,

Marshall Islands, Nauru, Solomon Islands, Tokelau, Kiribati, and

Vanuatu.

They are connected by dialup, and Fiji is discussing with Australia regarding

the leased line setup between them.

5.5 UNESCO

Regional Information Network Projects in several parts of the Asia-Pacific

regions such as South East Asia and Pacific(RINSEAP) and South Asia

(RINSA) are ongoing. In addition, UNESCO(J. Sequeira) in Bangkok is working

on the project development on the academic and research networks in the Asia

and Pacific region, and its paper on overview of a framework of development

was briefed. Its first meeting will be held in Seoul in June 1993 with

expected participation from 21 countries in the Asia and Pacific region.

5.6 Peking University/China

The case on campus networking in Peking University in China was presented.

The campus network as well as the metropolitan network connecting Peking

University, Academia Sinica, and Tsinghua University was described. The

local language support and the need of the international leased line for the

IP connection were described.

6. Meeting Report

Several meeting reports were made.

CCIRN June 1992 S. Asano/K. Chon

PACCOM August 1992 G. Huston

IEPG/IETF November 1992 J. Murai

7. Next Meeting

The next meeting will be held in Seoul in 31 May - 1 June 1993 proceeding

the UNESCO Meeting.

8. AOB

At the end of the first day, we went for the APCCIRN dinner with recommendation

of J. Chu(Hawaiian dinner).

We thanked J. Chu and D. Lassner or U. of Hawaii for excellent local

arrangement.

APPENDIX A: Agenda for APCCIRN Meeting in 1993.1.12-13

APCCIRN-011.1

1992.12.16

Kilnam Chon

Date: 12 January(8:30) - 13 January(17:00)

Location: Hyatt Regency, Waikiki, Honolulu

1. Review of the APCCIRN Documents

1.1 Terms of Reference(APCCIRN-002) apccirn-sec

1.2 Member List(APCCIRN-004) apccirn-sec

1.3 Country File(APCCIRN-005) apccirn-sec

1.4 Network Description(APCCIRN-008) apccirn-sec

1.5 International Link(APCCIRN-007) apccirn-sec

2. Work items for APCCIRN

2.1 Traffic Analysis all

2.2 Internationalization/Localization Hwang/HK(?)

(X/Open), (Japanese case), (Korean case), (RFCs)

2.3 Link/Connection Model ?

(GIX), (Ebone), (Bates' paper/IEPG output)

2.4 Funding/Charging Model ?

(output from last PACCOM meeting?)

2.5 NIC Hirabaru

(RIPE), (JNIC),

2.6 Naming/Addressing ?

(IANA), (X.400, X.500), (IP addressing space)

3. Discussion for February CCIRN Meeting

3.1 GIX ?

(overlap with 2.3 Link/Connection Model)

3.2 Future Technology ?

3.3 CCIRN v.s. Internet Society ?

(Leiner's paper)

3.4 X.500 ?

(Paradise Project)

4. Election of APCCIRN Officers

4.1 APCCIRN Chair

4.2 APCCIRN Delegates to CCIRN Meeting

4.3 APEPG Chair

5. Country/Network/Project Report

5.1 Thailand Teng-amnuay

5.2 Vietnam Zorn/Chon

5.3 Pacific Neighborhood Consortium(PNC) Hardyck

5.4 Pacific islands Clayton

5.5 UNESCO Sequeira/Chon

6. Meeting Report

6.1 CCIRN(June 1992) Chon

6.2 PACCOM(Aug. 1992) ?

6.3 IEPG/IETF(Nov. 1992) Murai

7. Next Meetings

APCCIRN 31 May(before UNESCO) and/or 20-21 August(after INET)

PNC 14-15 Jan. 1993(Honolulu)

CCIRN 18-19 Feb. 1993(Brussels), 23-24 Aug. 1993(SF)

RINSEAP March 1993(Australia)

IETF March 24-April 2(Columbus), 12-16 July(Amsterdam), Nov.

UNESCO 1-3 June 1993(Seoul)

INET 17-20 Aug. 1993(SF)

APPENDIX B: APCCIRN's Position Statement on IEPG

APCCIRN-022

1993.1.13

APCCIRN

The APCCIRN is of the view that the engineering and planning activities

should encompass broad Internet infrastructure issues. It is suggested

to the CCIRN that it should endorse the proposal that the IEPG should include

membership from the commercial provider sector as well as research network

operators.

The APCCIRN has also considered the merits of forming an Internet Operations

Task Force under the auspices of the Internet Society to further develop

proper focus on Internet-wide operational matters, and is of the view that

this activity should be strongly supported by the CCIRN.

APPENDIX C: APNIC Experiment Proposal

APCCIRN-020

1993.01.13

A Proposal for APNIC experiments

January 13, 1993

Jun Murai (WIDE Project/JNIC),

Masaki Hirabaru (WIDE Project/JNIC)

PURPOSE

This experiments is to investigate how APNIC (Asia and Pacific regional

Network Information Center) should be formed and how it can be operated.

TIMEFRAME

January 15, 1993 - January 1994

ITEMS

B: Guideline for establishment of Country NICs

A: APNIC database format

A: APNIC transactions

A: APNIC-CountryNICs transactions

A: APNIC-InternetNIC transactions

B: APNIC-NCC transactions

B: Services to access the database

B: Information archiving

B: Routing preference issues

B: Organizational issues

MEMBERS

Anybody including jp, au, kr, nz.

TESTING MACHINE

nic.ad.jp (so far)

MAILING LIST

apnic-coop@nic.ad.jp

apnic-coop-request@nic.ad.jp

SCHEDULE

Priority A: by Summer 1993

Priority B: by Jan 1994