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Dear sir,
Please vote to the following two items by July 7:
1. Terms of Reference for the APCCIRN
2. APCCIRN Member List
You may just respond with two lines of YES/NO for each of two items.
Please add comments when you vote NO. Attached documents are Terms of
Reference and membership list.
Taeha Park -- APCCIRN Secretariat
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Subject: Terms of Reference for the Asia/Pacific Coordination Committee for
International Research Networking (APCCIRN) (Draft)
(1) APCCIRN's Purpose
The purpose of the APCCIRN is to be a consultative body on all aspects of
intercontinental networking for the Asia-Pacific research community.
(2) APCCIRN's Role
The APCCIRN will
- discuss Asia-Pacific policy, strategy, and funding issues related to
intercontinental networking.
- develop consensus guidelines that member organizations can use in
establishing interoperable intercontinental computer networking services.
- provide the Asia-Pacific delegation to the CCIRN with input and feedback
from the Asia-Pacific research networking community.
- assemble the appropriate members for the Asia-Pacific delegation to the
CCIRN
(3) Membership
Membership of the APCCIRN is open to representatives of all national and
international networking organizations and the relevant associations in
Asia-Pacific supporting the purpose and role of the APCCIRN. Preferably
these representatives should have the authority to implement APCCIRN
policies and guidelines within their networks.
(4) Organization
APCCIRN elects its Chair with the term of three years in addition to Deputy
Chairs as needed. The APCCIRN Chair will provide secretarial support to the
APCCIRN (organizing and minuting meetings, providing an email distribution
list, and so on). In general the APCCIRN will meet twice a year.
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1992.7.1
Subject: APCCIRN Member List (Draft)
G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au <Australia, AARNet, Jeff Houston>
qian@ica.beijing.canet.cn <China, CANET, Tian-Bai Qian>
hcxcnng@hkucc.hku.hk <Hong Kong, HARNET, N. Ng>
ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in <India, ERNET, S. Ramakrishnan>
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp <Japan, JCRN, Haruhisa Ishida>
asano@nacsis.ac.jp <Japan, Nacsis, Shoichiro Asano>
kamae@tkyvax.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp <Japan, TISN, Tsuneyosh Kamae>
karita@kek.jp <Japan, HEPnet-J, Yukio Karita>
jun@wide.ad.jp <Japan, WIDE, Jun Murai>
koki@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp <Japan, BITNETJP, Koki Higashida>
chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr <Korea, ANC, Kilnam Chon>
abhaya@cse.mrt.ac.lk <Sri Lanka, LEARN, Abhaya Induruwa>
mal@rangkom.my <Malaysia, JARING , Mohamed Awang-Lah>
M.Topping@waikato.ac.nz <New Zealand, NZREIN, Mark Topping>
B.McCahill@ee.unitech.ac.pg <Papua New Guines, U. of Technology, N.McCahill>
tommi@solomon.technet.sg <Singapore, Technet, Tommy Chen>
chung@tpts1.seed.net.tw <Taiwan, SEEDNET, Wen-chung Chang>
wschen@twnmoe10.bitnet <Taiwan, BITNET-in-Taiwan, Wen-sung Chen>
htk@ipied.tu.ac.th <Thailand, ThaiSarn, H.T. Koanatakool>
fyta@ait.ait.th <Thailand, ThaiSarn/AlterNet, Prachak Poomvises>
Torben@hawaii.edu <Paccom, Torben Nielsen>
narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp <CAREN/JOIN, Devendra Narayan>
sheehan@unixg.ubc.ca <BC Net, Bernard S. Sheehan>
hardyck@violet.berkeley.edu <PNP, Curtis Hardyck>
uhjse@frunes21.bitnet <UNESCO-Bangkok, Jorge E. Sequeira>
jhwang@wiley.csusb.edu <CSU-SB, Jimmy Hwang>
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From: ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in (Mr. S. Ramakrishnan)
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Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
To: taeha@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Taeha Park)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 92 19:51:20 GMT+5:30
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1. yes. Suggest the following refinements for consideration:
In 1. modify to "academic and research community" instead of just "research"
Same in third - of 2.
In 2. second - modify to "interoperable intercontinental computer networking
infrastructure and services".
2. yes.
ramki
(S.Ramakrishnan)
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Subject: meeting schedule
will you let me know if you plan to attend any of the following conferences;
JWCC Cheju, Korea 1992.7.14-16
SEARCC Malaysia 1992.8.11-14
PACCOM Hawaii 1992.8.16-20
i am looking into formal and/or ad hoc APCCIRN meeting in addition to the
formal winter meeting.
chon
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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To: apccirn-member@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr, taeha@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
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1. Terms of Reference for the APCCIRN
NO
(1) APCCIRN's Purpose
The purpose of the APCCIRN is to be a consultative body on all aspects of
intercontinental networking for the Asia-Pacific research community.
international is a more appropriate word than intercontinental - and academic
and research is better than research
(2) APCCIRN's Role
The APCCIRN will
- discuss Asia-Pacific policy, strategy, and funding issues related to
intercontinental networking.
as above
- develop consensus guidelines that member organizations can use in
establishing interoperable intercontinental computer networking services
as above
- provide the Asia-Pacific delegation to the CCIRN with input and feedback
from the Asia-Pacific research networking community.
as above
- assemble the appropriate members for the Asia-Pacific delegation to the
CCIRN
(4) Organization
APCCIRN elects its Chair with the term of three years in addition to Deputy
Chairs as needed. The APCCIRN Chair will provide secretarial support to the
APCCIRN (organizing and minuting meetings, providing an email distribution
list, and so on). In general the APCCIRN will meet twice a year.
I would disagree with placing a commitment to meet six monthly into
this document.
2. APCCIRN Member List
YES - but please change my entry to read:
<Australia, AARNet, Geoff Huston>
as per mail to you on the 25th June
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Subject: voting on TOR
Comments I received so far are favorable to the Terms of Reference, and we
should consider the following comments for possible revision.
1. intercontinental
change to international(received from 3 people)
2. research
change to academic and research(received from 3 people)
3. individual members
allow individual members, too(received from 3 people)
4. meeting frequency
no commitment on the meeting frequency
I plan to modify TOR at the editing meeting since all are not serious and
easy to accept for the modification. The following is the possible modified
version of TOR.
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1992.7.05
Terms of Reference for the Asia-Pacific Coordination Committee for
internationalResearch Networking(APCCIRN)
(1) APCCIRN's Purpose
The purpose of the APCCIRN is to be a consultative body on all aspects of
international networking for the Asia/Pacific academic and research community.
(2) APCCIRN's Role
The APCCIRN will
- discuss Asia/Pacific policy, strategy, and funding issues related to
international networking.
- develop consensus guidelines that member organizations can use in
establishing interoperable international computer networking infrastructure
and services.
- provide the Asia/Pacific delegation to the CCIRN with input and feedback from
the Asia/Pacific academic and research networking community.
- assemble the appropriate members for the Asia/Pacific delegation to the
CCIRN.
(3) Membership
Membership of the APCCIRN is open to representatives of all national and
international networking organizations and the relevant associations in
Asia/Pacific supporting the purpose and role of the APCCIRN. Preferably these
representatives should have the authority to implement APCCIRN policies and
guidelines within their networks.
Individual members who support the purpose and role of the APCCIRN are allowed
as associate members.
(4) Organization
APCCIRN elects its Chair with the term of three years in addition to Deputy
Chairs as needed. The APCCIRN Chair will provide secretarial support to the
APCCIRN(organizing and minuting meetings, providing an email distribution list,
and so on).
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Kilnam Chon
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To: taeha@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Taeha Park)
From: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
Cc: apccirn-member@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
>Dear sir,
>
>Please vote to the following two items by July 7:
>
> 1. Terms of Reference for the APCCIRN
> 2. APCCIRN Member List
>
Dear Taeha,
We have a few comments about the items included in above. We would
like to hear the opinion of all the members regarding these.
1. The membership in this organization ( body, committee - whatever
) should be placed into two categories :
a. Members who represent actual networking organizations (
physically operating networks in this region and who will be directly
affected by any rules, guidelines etc. that are decided upon by the APCCIRN
). Such members should have the voting rights for any major decisions that
are taken by this organization.
b. Other individuals who are interested in the growth and
advancement of networking in this region and who can contribute fruitfully
to the activities of this organization. Such members may be given observer
( advisor ) status. [ Specifically organizations like JCRN in Japan, PNP
and CSU-SB in your membership list, organizations that do not actually
operate any networks in the region ].
2. We feel it is necessary to define in clear terms the area (
or 'region' in above ) that will be covered by the AP-CCIRN. Specifically,
will this area extend to include the North and South American continents -
if not, we see no valid reason to include a representative from BC-Net in
Canada ( unless he (she ) falls into category 1.b. above ).
3. We do not feel it is necessary to specify ( at least at
this stage ) that this organization will meet twice an year. Most of the
members belong to the academic community and everyone perhaps realizes the
funding problems related to such frequent visits. We are not sure if all (
or even most members ) would find it feasible ( or even desirable ) to
travel twice an year to attend the meetings. In our opinion, quite a lot
can be accomplished over the network. Let's use the ample facilities
provided by the Internet to include the opinions of those who may not be
able to attend all the meetings into any decisions of AP-CCIRN.
Devendra Narayan CAREN narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Koki Higashida BITNETJP/JOIN koki@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
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From: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
Here is one response to our earlier message.
>From: ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in (Mr. S. Ramakrishnan)
>Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
>To: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
>Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 9:58:43 GMT+5:30...............
..........
>> Dear Taeha,
>> We have a few comments about the items included in above. We would
>> like to hear the opinion of all the members regarding these.
>>
>> 1. The membership ...................
>I agree with the suggestion. A suggestion in the nature of refinement:
>
> Have three catagories- Voting Member(VM), Member or Full Member (M or FM),
> and Associate Member(AM).
>
> VM: All those who represent network organizations and/or having
> power/ clout to implement guidelines
>
> FM or M: All those individuals and organizations in the REGION
> of APCCIRN who volanteer to contribute and subscribe to
> the goals and purpose as expressed in the TOR
>
> Note: The suggestion to call them FM to only to remove any
> apprehention these people may have about tyeir status
> vis-a-vis VM. Make them feel good :-)
>
> AM: Others interested in keeping track of APCCIRN proceeding and have
interest in contributing but are outside the region.
>> 3. We do not feel it is necessary to specify ( at least at
>> this stage ) that this organization will meet twice .............
>I agree . I conveyed this difficulty in Kobe itself. Face-to-face meetings
>as a way of doing things will go. And network folks should lead in that
>lead. One meeting a year may be a good thing. But those who do not attend
>should not be made to feel that they missed out something, considering
>that their difficulties are genuine.
Devendra Narayan,
Education Division, POSTAL: 1-3, Kagurazaka,
Information Processing Center, Shinjuku Ku,
Science University of Tokyo. TOKYO 162.
JAPAN.
PHONE : (03) 3269-6011 ext. 1787 FAX : (03) 3260-2280
BITNET : narayan@carenic INTERNET : narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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To: apccirn-member@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr, narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
All,
>>
>> 1. The membership ...................
>I agree with the suggestion. A suggestion in the nature of refinement:
>
> Have three catagories- Voting Member(VM), Member or Full Member (M or FM),
> and Associate Member(AM).
>
> VM: All those who represent network organizations and/or having
> power/ clout to implement guidelines
>
> FM or M: All those individuals and organizations in the REGION
> of APCCIRN who volanteer to contribute and subscribe to
> the goals and purpose as expressed in the TOR
>
> Note: The suggestion to call them FM to only to remove any
> apprehention these people may have about tyeir status
> vis-a-vis VM. Make them feel good :-)
>
> AM: Others interested in keeping track of APCCIRN proceeding and have
interest in contributing but are outside the region.
I must admit that the concept of "voting" is one which I note is
effectively avoided in the CCIRN environment. Bodies such as the CCIRN
have no power of mandate - they have the position of providing
"reasonable advice" - and the APCCIRN is no different in that respect.
When you are in the position of formulating a commonly agreed position
you get into the position where a single negative stance must force a
rethink of the issue to accomodate all views within the forum. If
unanimity cannot be obtained than there is no common position - and the
introduction of voting cannot such such a basic premise of operation of
the APCCIRN - in fact I would offer the view that it acts as a
detrimental factor.
So the APCCIRN is a forum - nothing more - where paritcular issues can
be highlighted and, as appropriate, a common position can be voiced as
a recommendation to the various network entities. However such
recommendations do not carry a power of enforcement in themselves - one
can look at the CCIRN half-circuit funding connection policy as an
immeidate example of a recommendation which is observed more in the
breach than the observance.
To my mind voting is not the answer - the task at hand is to seek
common positions and present them in as palatable as possible a fashion
to the constituent entities. In such an environment where the bodies
survivies only through the common will of the constituents to have such
a forum - and nothing else - then voting and non-voting members appears
to me to be somewhat inappropriate to the task at hand.
cheers,
Geoff Huston
AARNet
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 17:57:21 +0900
To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
From: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
Cc: apccirn-member@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
...........
>So the APCCIRN is a forum - nothing more - where paritcular issues can
>be highlighted and, as appropriate, a common position can be voiced as
>a recommendation to the various network entities. However such
>recommendations do not carry a power of enforcement in themselves - one
>can look at the CCIRN half-circuit funding connection policy as an
>immeidate example of a recommendation which is observed more in the
>breach than the observance.
>
>To my mind voting is not the answer - the task at hand is to seek
>common positions and present them in as palatable as possible a fashion
>to the constituent entities. In such an environment where the bodies
>survivies only through the common will of the constituents to have such
>a forum - and nothing else - then voting and non-voting members appears
>to me to be somewhat inappropriate to the task at hand.
>
>
>cheers,
>
>Geoff Huston
>AARNet
Dear Geoff,
I agree completely with you that the whole concept of voting or
non-voting members is useless if the AP-CCIRN would just be a 'consultative
forum' without any powers to formulate policies or guidelines for the
networks in the region to follow. Do all the other members hold the same
opinion ?
I personally would like to see the forum laying emphasis on
discussions regarding the advancement of academic networking in the
technologically developing countries of the region, on the longer term
problems of achieving a more balanced flow of information over the Pacific,
promotion of more intra-regional networking etc. etc.
How about the point about defining the region which will be the
focus of discussions in this AP-CCIRN 'forum' ? Don't you feel that we
should limit our discussions to a well defined ( geographical ) area of
reference ?
Regards
Devendra Narayan
CAREN
Devendra Narayan,
Education Division, POSTAL: 1-3, Kagurazaka,
Information Processing Center, Shinjuku Ku,
Science University of Tokyo. TOKYO 162.
JAPAN.
PHONE : (03) 3269-6011 ext. 1787 FAX : (03) 3260-2280
BITNET : narayan@carenic INTERNET : narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
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From: ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in (Mr. S. Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
To: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 9:58:43 GMT+5:30
>
> >Dear sir,
> >
> >Please vote to the following two items by July 7:
> >
> > 1. Terms of Reference for the APCCIRN
> > 2. APCCIRN Member List
> >
>
> Dear Taeha,
> We have a few comments about the items included in above. We would
> like to hear the opinion of all the members regarding these.
>
> 1. The membership in this organization ( body, committee - whatever
> ) should be placed into two categories :
> a. Members who represent actual networking organizations (
> physically operating networks in this region and who will be directly
> affected by any rules, guidelines etc. that are decided upon by the APCCIRN
> ). Such members should have the voting rights for any major decisions that
> are taken by this organization.
> b. Other individuals who are interested in the growth and
> advancement of networking in this region and who can contribute fruitfully
> to the activities of this organization. Such members may be given observer
> ( advisor ) status. [ Specifically organizations like JCRN in Japan, PNP
> and CSU-SB in your membership list, organizations that do not actually
> operate any networks in the region ].
>
> 2. We feel it is necessary to define in clear terms the area (
> or 'region' in above ) that will be covered by the AP-CCIRN. Specifically,
> will this area extend to include the North and South American continents -
> if not, we see no valid reason to include a representative from BC-Net in
> Canada ( unless he (she ) falls into category 1.b. above ).
I agree with the suggestion. A suggestion in the nature of refinement:
Have three catagories- Voting Member(VM), Member or Full Member (M or FM),
and Associate Member(AM).
VM: All those who represent network organizations and/or having
power/ clout to implement guidelines
FM or M: All those individuals and organizations in the REGION
of APCCIRN who volanteer to contribute and subscribe to
the goals and purpose as expressed in the TOR
Note: The suggestion to call them FM to only to remove any
apprehention these people may have about tyeir status
vis-a-vis VM. Make them feel good :-)
AM: Others interested in keeping track of APCCIRN proceeding and have interest in contributing but are outside the region.
>
> 3. We do not feel it is necessary to specify ( at least at
> this stage ) that this organization will meet twice an year. Most of the
> members belong to the academic community and everyone perhaps realizes the
> funding problems related to such frequent visits. We are not sure if all (
> or even most members ) would find it feasible ( or even desirable ) to
> travel twice an year to attend the meetings. In our opinion, quite a lot
> can be accomplished over the network. Let's use the ample facilities
> provided by the Internet to include the opinions of those who may not be
> able to attend all the meetings into any decisions of AP-CCIRN.
I agree. I conveyed this difficulty in Kobe itself. Face-to-face meetings
as a way of doing things will go. And network folks should lead in that
lead. One meeting a year may be a good thing. But those who do not attend
should not be made to feel that they missed out something, considering
that their difficulties are genuine.
> Devendra Narayan CAREN narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
> Koki Higashida BITNETJP/JOIN koki@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp
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Kilnam
The revisions you propose seem very sensible to me and I support them
Thank you for your efforts and for your continued recognition of related
efo
efforts
Curtis Hardyck
Pacific Neighborhood Project
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Subject: Re: meeting schedule
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>will you let me know if you plan to attend any of the following conferences;
>
>JWCC Cheju, Korea 1992.7.14-16
>SEARCC Malaysia 1992.8.11-14
>PACCOM Hawaii 1992.8.16-20
>
>i am looking into formal and/or ad hoc APCCIRN meeting in addition to the
>formal winter meeting.
>
>chon
I will of course attend the PACCOM meeting as will about 40 other people
(normal count). Anyone else who wants to go is still welcome. However, we're
going to release whatever rooms we have left within two weeks so it's getting
close.
Torben
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
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Devendra,
I agree completely with you that the whole concept of voting or
non-voting members is useless if the AP-CCIRN would just be a 'consultative
forum' without any powers to formulate policies or guidelines for the
networks in the region to follow. Do all the other members hold the same
opinion ?
I must admit that I'm drawing a very distinction here between policy
formulation and policy implementation (or enforcement). I draw from the
experience of the CCIRN and the European RARE and US FNC groupings to
come to the conclusion that where you have a body which is effectively
an unfunded voluntary body (and here the CCIRN differs from RARE and
the FNC) then the best you can seek is consensus positions which it is
hoped will make sense to all players. The grouping simply doesn't have
the ability to actually direct any constituent entity to do anything -
particularly when such a direction would cause expenditure of monies or
loss of income.
In such a scenario - which I would contend is the case with the APCCIRN
- "voting members" and "non-voting members" does not appear to be a
totally sensible concept.
I personally would like to see the forum laying emphasis on
discussions regarding the advancement of academic networking in the
technologically developing countries of the region, on the longer term
problems of achieving a more balanced flow of information over the Pacific,
promotion of more intra-regional networking etc. etc.
This is a very very tough objective - and perhaps all the more worthy
considering the degree of difficulty here. I would assume all members
of this mailing list are only too well aware of the diverse elements of
activity within this region, and the engineering, technical, financial
and political constraints which underly these activities. The
requirements of those countries which have good access to advanced
technology and have the financial ability to purchase such technologies
are vastly different from those countries which are grappling with
severe financial constraints within an environment which does not have
a wealth of relevant technical skills.
As a national network operator in one of the more fortunate countries I
readily admit a real and definite obligation to provide what assistance
we can across the entire region - I would also offer the observation
that I would prefer if the national component of such assistance were
part of a recognised international developmental program so that I
could obtain fuinding from the various national developmental and aid
agencies rather than attempting to fund such assistance from what
margins remain a heavily over committed network budget. This latter
observation would be the case for other contries in this region as
well, and does act as a vary real constraint on the level of direct
assistance / developmental activity we can support as a national
academic and research networking entity.
How about the point about defining the region which will be the
focus of discussions in this AP-CCIRN 'forum' ? Don't you feel that we
should limit our discussions to a well defined ( geographical ) area of
reference ?
Perhaps - but with communications tariffs the way they are cultural and
economic outlooks are as much a factor in defining a group such as this
as a strict geographic interpretation - when it is a cheap (if not
cheaper) to throw a link from the Pacific rim to the United States as
compared with a link from (say) Malaysia to Japan (plucking two random
endpoints from the air for the example) then there is a need for very
careful thought about what we want out of an APCCIRN. It is unlikely
that regional infrstructure will come about unless international
tarrifs within the region are dramatically restructured (an unlikely
event in the next 3 - 5 years). As a consequence we are not really
talking about the requirement for internal international infrastructure
within the pacific, western pacific rim and eastern asia. We are
talking about whether there are financial and strategic opportunities
available through acting in concert in achieving commonly definied
objectives. In such a scenario I'm not sure about a strict geographic
intepretation. I would surmise that entities will join if they perceive
economic or strategic advantage in joining - if not then they will do
other things to achieve their individual objectives.
cheers,
Geoff Huston
AARNet
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Dear folks,
I just returned from the Asia trip. I understand that Taeha Park needs
the feedback by July 7. Hopefully my comments are not too late for
your information. Taeha Park and your fellows are doing a wonderful
job. Keep up the goood work and let me know if I can be of any help.
The following is my quick modifications on the terms.......
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(1) APCCIRN's Purpose
The purpose of the APCCIRN is to coordinate and integrate the regional
networking issues for the Asia-Pacific research and academic community
under the general guideline of the international Internet Society.
*** Reasons for the modification*****
a. The term "all aspects" is too vague and too broad.
b. The term "intercontinental" is not clear and does not serve
the need of APCCIRN's existence.
c. APCCIRN should be under the umbrella of Internet Society, which
in fact is the case at this time.
d. The term "research" does not cover other academic lives of
the members.
(2) APCCIRN's Role
Should change "intercontinental" to "regional" or "inter-regional".
(3) Membership
APCCIRN membership is open to representatives of all national and
international networking organizations in the region and to individuals
of all national and international networking professions in supporting
the purpose and the mission of APCCIRN. All members should utilize their
political and intellectual influence to implement APCCIRN policies and
guidelines within their network environment.
**** Reasons for the modification *****
a. Because of the nature of the APCCIRN and regional politics, it
is not likely that the representatives will have the "authority"
to implement any policies without proper channels.
b. Most of the members will have some political and intellectual
influence in the respective country. Membership should have
open based to recruit some active figures in the region.
(4) Organization
APCCIRN shall elect its Chair with the term of three years. The chair
shall provide secretarial support to the APCCIRN including organizing
meetings and providing membership distribution list. The APCCIRN will
have its annual meeting in the region and several computer conferencing
on the internet each year.
**** REasons for the modification *****
a. it is not practical to have two meetings for APCCIRN. It is
a heavy burden for both the officiers and members to have
too many meetings.
b. One face-to-face and organized meeting is sufficient for our
organization; especailly the email is so easy to accomplish.
c. I do think we can have many smaller conference through e-mail
like to one we are doing now.
Jimmy Hwang
California State University, San Bernardino
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To: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 10:18:46 KST
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i agree with you with Geoff on "voting' except the following;
1. TOR
we need to vote to define the TOR. without the voting, it won't be easy
to come up with the official TOR.
2. Election of Officers like Chair
(same reason as above)
3. Admission of new members
(we may need the voting)
everything else should be based on consensus.
chon
PS: i am doing TOR approval --> member definition --> Chair election now.
naturally, TOR and membrship definition would be revised later as needed.
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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To: narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp, jhwang@wiley.csusb.edu
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
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Jimmy,
(1) APCCIRN's Purpose
The purpose of the APCCIRN is to coordinate and integrate the regional
networking issues for the Asia-Pacific research and academic community
under the general guideline of the international Internet Society.
*** Reasons for the modification*****
c. APCCIRN should be under the umbrella of Internet Society, which
in fact is the case at this time.
I'm not sure this is indeed the case. I recall Kees Neggers, the
co-chair of the CCIRN being asked about the potential overlap of
activity between the CCIRN and the Internet Society forecast a definite
and distinct role for the CCIRN.
Considering the very broad intended role of the Internet Society and
the particular mandate of the "R" in "*CIRN" then the real question
about the *CIRN structure is whether you are talking about the
deployment of research-related Internet facilities, or whether you are
talking about research collaboration facilities, which happen to use
Internet technology. I would not pretend to have a clear answer here.
From the Internet Soceity viewpoint there has been no move to place
the *CCIRN structure into the Internet Society in terms of a charter or
similar instrument (to my knowledge).
cheers,
Geoff Huston
AARNet
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From: Nam Ng HKU Computer Centre <HCXCNNG@hkucc.hku.hk>
Subject: Re: Request for Voting (APCCIRN)
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Dear friends,
I think some very constructive comments on the TOR and the membership
have been raised since the request for voting has been issued. I wonder
if it would be appropriate that Kilnam could take up the comments
and refined the TOR so that we could do a simple YES/NO vote, since I
am not sure if I should still be voting on the original one!
Furthermore, I would like to add some of my view too. I support the
use of the word "regional networking" over "international/national networking"
for APPCIRN, since not all the network operators are necessary involved
at national/international/intercontinnental level. Also, if APPCIRN is
to be a consultative body only, then the issues of membership and voting
should not be a problem; and I also doubt if there could be a body that
could enforce funding arrangements. It is also not clear to me what the
relationship between Internet society and CCIRN is. Perhaps I could get
some advice from the more experienced hands.
Best regards,
Nam Ng
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Subject: please verify member list
As the Terms of Reference is stablized, I would like to freeze TOR, and move
into the member list. Please verify and comment on the list we made with
consultation with many members. Please also refer on the country file, too.
There are several soft areas as follows;
1. Individual Member
Is the current list sufficient? If not, how do we add more?
2. Liaison
I defined it in Associate Member. We may need more such as
SEARCC SIG-Tel.
I would like to finish the member list and the Chair nomination by the end of
July, so that APCCIRN can start working on the real work such as engineering
planning.
We would revisit TOR and the member list later at the second APCCIRN to take
place in the coming winter to update as needed.
chon
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APCCIRN-004
1992.7.13
Subject: APCCIRN Member List (Draft)
G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au <Australia, AARNet, Geoff Houston>
qian@ica.beijing.canet.cn <China, CANET, Tian-Bai Qian>
hcxcnng@hkucc.hku.hk <Hong Kong, HARNET, N. Ng>
ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in <India, ERNET, S. Ramakrishnan>
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp <Japan, JCRN, Haruhisa Ishida>
asano@nacsis.ac.jp <Japan, Nacsis, Shoichiro Asano>
karita@kek.jp <Japan, HEPnet-J/TISN, Yukio Karita>
jun@wide.ad.jp <Japan, WIDE, Jun Murai>
koki@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp <Japan, BITNETJP, Koki Higashida>
chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr <Korea, ANC, Kilnam Chon>
abhaya@cse.mrt.ac.lk <Sri Lanka, LEARN, Abhaya Induruwa>
mal@rangkom.my <Malaysia, JARING , Mohamed Awang-Lah>
M.Topping@waikato.ac.nz <New Zealand, NZREIN, Mark Topping>
tommi@solomon.technet.sg <Singapore, Technet, Tommy Chen>
chung@tpts1.seed.net.tw <Taiwan, SEEDNET, Wen-chung Chang>
wschen@twnmoe10.bitnet <Taiwan, BITNET-in-Taiwan, Wen-sung Chen>
htk@ipied.tu.ac.th <Thailand, ThaiSarn, H.T. Koanatakool>
fyta@ait.ait.th <Thailand, ThaiSarn/AlterNet, Prachak Poomvises>
narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp <CAREN/JOIN, Devendra Narayan>
hart@nsipo.nasa.gov <NSI, Milo Medin>
Torben@hawaii.edu <Paccom, Torben Nielsen>
hardyck@violet.berkeley.edu <PNP, Curtis Hardyck>
uhjse@frunes21.bitnet <UNESCO-Bangkok, Jorge E. Sequeira>
sheehan@unixg.ubc.ca <BC Net, Bernard S. Sheehan>
B.McCahill@ee.unitech.ac.pg <Papua New Guines, U. of Technology, N.McCahill>
jhwang@wiley.csusb.edu <CSU-SB, Jimmy Hwang>
v834245217@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr <Vietnam, Inst. of Informatics, Bach Hung Khang>
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APCCIRN-005.4
1992.7.5
Subject: APCCIRN Country File (Draft)
_______________________________________________________________________________
Table of Contents
I. National Networking Organizations and Associations
Australia (AARNet)
China (CANET)
Hong Kong (HARNET)
India (ERNET)
Japan (JCRN, BITNETJP, HEPnet-J/TISN, SINET/NACSIS, WIDE)
Korea, Republic of (ANC)
Malaysia (JARING)
New Zealand (NZREIN)
Sri Lanka (LEARN)
Singapore (Technet)
Taiwan (SEEDNET, BITNET-in-Taiwan)
Thailand (ThaiSarn)
II. International Networks and Projects
CAREN/JOINS
NSI
PACCOM
PNP
UNESCO-BANGKOK
III. Individual Members
IV. Other Countries
V. APCCIRN-ALL Mailing List
.
I. National Networking Organizations and Associations
_______________________________________________________________________________
Australia Last Updated: 1992.7.13
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AARNet (Australian Academic and Research Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Geoff Huston (G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au)
AARNet, Leonard Huxley Building, Mills Road
Australian National University, Action ACT 2601
Australia
Voice: +61-6-239-3385
Fax:+61-6-237-3425
2. APEPG Contact: Geoff Huston
3. Connectivity: [-IUF-]
In addition to a satellite link to Fix-West, AARNet
supports international mail connections to Papua New
Guinea and Thailand.
4. Remark: The annual Australian Networkshop will be held
in 1992.12.2 - 12.3.
.
China Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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CANET (Chinese Academic Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Tian-Bai Qian (qian@ica.beijing.canet.cn)
Beijing Institute For Computer Application
P.O.Box 2318-26, Beijing, 100081
P.R.China
Voice: +86-1-831-3654
Fax: +86-1-831-4913
2. APEPG Contact: Michael Rotert (rotert@ira.uka.de)
University of Karlsruhe, Informatik Rechnerabt
Am Fasanengarten 5, 7500 Karlsruhe
Germany
Voice: +39-721-608-4221
3. Connectivity: [--u-O]
4. Remark: Co-initiated by ICA(Beijing Institute for Computing
Applications) and University of Karlsrule (Germany)
in 1985.
.
Hong Kong Last Updated: 1992.6.30
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HARNET (Hong Kong Academic Research Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Dr. N. Ng (hcxcnng@hkucc.hku.hk)
Director, UPCC, Computer Centre
University of Hong Kong
Pokfulam Road
Hong Kong
Voice: +852-859-2491
Fax: +852-559-7904
2. APEPG Contact: Lawrence Hing Yim Law (cclaw@usthk.ust.hk)
(Chairman, APEPG Group of HARNET)
Associate Director & Manager of Systems & Operations
Center of Computing Services and Telecommunications
The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Clear Water Bay, Kowloon
Hong Kong
Voice: +852-358-6201
Fax: +852-358-0967
3. Connectivity: [BI-F-]
Hong Kong has a 64Kbps leased line connection to
NASA Ames Research Centre in Mountain View, California.
In September, all the universities, polytechnics and
colleges in Hong Kong will be connected in T1 lines.
4. Remark:
.
India Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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ERNET (Education and Research Community Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: S. Ramakrishnan (ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in)
Project Director(ERNET), Department of Electronics
6, CGO Complex, New Delhi 110 003
India
Voice: +91-11-436-1251
2. APEPG Contact: S. Ramakrishnan
3. Connectivity: [bIU--]
4. Remark:
.
Japan Last Updated: 1992.7.13
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JCRN
1. APCCIRN Contact:
Prof. Haruhisada Ishida (ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp)
Prof. Koki Higashida (narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp) (BITNETJP)
Prof. Yukio Karita (karita@kek.jp) (HEPnet-J/TISN)
Prof. Shoichiro Asano (asano@nacsis.ac.jp) (SINET/NACSIS)
Prof. Jun Murai (jun@wide.ad.jp) (WIDE)
2. APEPG Contact:
Prof. Jun Matsukata (jm@eng.isas.ac.jp) (SINET/NACSIS)
Prof. Jun Murai (jun@wide.ad.jp) (WIDE)
3. Connectivity: [BIUF-]
4. Remark: Coordination between WIDE, SINET, BITNETJP, TISN and HEPnet-J
is discussed in JCRN. The chair of JCRN is
Prof. Shoichi Noguchi
Research Center for Applied Information Sciences
Tohoku University
Voice: +81-22-227-6200
JNIC is operted at U. of Tokyo, and the contact point is
Masaki Hirabaru(hi@nic.ad.jp).
BITNETJP
1. APCCIRN Contact:
Prof. Koki Higashida (narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp)
Science University of Tokyo
1-3, Kagurazaka, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo, 162 Japan
Voice: +81-3-3269-6011 ext1787
2. APEPG Contact: Prof. Koki Higashida
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark: The Information Processing Center of the Science
University of Tokyo are also managing the Japan Bitnet
Association's Network Operations Center and the JOIN
(Japan Organized InterNetwork)'s operation center.
HEPnet-J (High Energy Physics network - Japan) / TISN
1. APCCIRN Contact:
Yukio Karita (karita@kek.jp)
National Laboratory for High Energy Physics
1-1 Oho, Tsukuba, Ibaraki, 305 Japan
Voice: +81-298-64-1092
2. APEPG Contact:
Yukio Karita
Shingo Ichii (ichii@kek.jp)
3. Connectivity:
HEPnet-J locates Cisco routers in more than 20 universities
in Japan and has a 192kbps terrestrial line connected from
KEK to the ESnet's Cisco router located in NASA-Ames in US.
Main protocols used in HEPnet-J are DECnet and TCP/IP.
4. Remark: HEPnet-J is for the collaboration in high energy physics.
.
SINET/NACSIS
1. APCCIRN Contact: Prof. Shoichiro Asano (asano@nacsis.ac.jp)
2. APEPG Contact: Prof. Jun Matsukata (jm@eng.isas.ac.jp)
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark:
WIDE
1. APCCIRN Contact:
Prof. Jun Murai (jun@wide.ad.jp)
Keio University, 5322 Endo, Fujisawa, Kanagawa, 252 Japan
Voice: +81-466-47-5111
2. APEPG Contact: Prof. Jun Murai
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark:
.
Korea, Republic of Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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ANC (Academic Network Council)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Prof. Kilnam Chon (chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr)
(ANC Chair)
Computer Science Department, KAIST
P.O.Box 150, Cheongryang, Seoul, Korea
Voice: +82-2-962-5663
Fax: +82-2-969-0239
Prof. Yanghee Choi (yhchoi@krsnucc1.bitnet) (KREN)
Computer Center, Seoul National University
Seoul, 151-742 Korea
Voice: +82-2-880-5358
Fax: +82-2-887-0130
Okhwan Byeon (ohbyeon@garam.kreonet.re.kr) (KREONet)
System Engineering Research Institute
1 Eoeun-dong, Yusung-gu, Taejun, 305-333 Korea
Voice: +82-32-869-1351
Fax: +82-32-869-1999
Prof. ByungChun Kim (bckim@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr) (SDN)
Computer Center, KAIST
Gusung-dong, Yusung-gu, Taejun, 305-701 Korea
Moonhaeng Huh (moonh@ring.kotel.co.kr) (SDN)
Korea Telecom Research Center
17 Woomyun-dong, Suhcho-gu, Seoul, 137-140 Korea
Voice: +82-2-526-5736
Fax: +82-2-526-5570
2. APEPG Contact: Dr. Hyunje Park (hjpark@dino.media.co.kr)
(ANC Technical Committee Chair)
Solvit Media Inc.
Voice: +82-2-561-0361
Fax: +82-2-569-3847
Prof. Yanghee Choi (yhchoi@krsnucc1.bitnet) (KREN)
Computer Center, Seoul National University
Seoul, 151-742 Korea
Voice: +82-2-880-5358
Fax: +82-2-887-0130
Chaeho Lim (chlim@garam.kreonet.re.kr) (KREONet)
System Engineering Research Institute
1 Eoeun-dong, Yusung-gu, Taejun, 305-333 Korea
Voice: +82-32-869-1351
Fax: +82-32-869-1999
Dr. Jooyoung Song (jysong@ring.kotel.co.kr) (SDN)
Korea Telecom Research Center
17 Woomyun-dong, Suhcho-gu, Seoul, 137-140 Korea
Voice: +82-2-526-5077
Fax: +82-2-526-5570
3. Connectivity: [BIUF-]
SDN has a 56Kbps link to Fix-West via NASA Ames and
KREONet has a 56Kbps link to the San Diego
Supercomputer Center. KREN has a 9.6Kbps line to CAREN
(SUT in Japan).
4. Remark: The ANC (Academic Network Council) coordinates R&D
networking activities in Korea. The ANC has members
from the three networks of KREN, KREONet, and SDN.
.
Malaysia Last Updated: 1992.6.28
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JARING (Joint Advanced Research Integrated Networking)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Mohamed Awang Lah (mal@rangkom.my)
2. APEPG Contact: M. Rafee Yusoff (rafee@rangkom.my)
3. Connectivity: [b-uF-]
The major link to other countries is through UUNET
in USA.
4. Remark: Both X.25 and TCP/IP protocols are supported.
.
New Zealand Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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NZREIN (New Zealand Research and Education Information Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Dr. Mark Topping (mtopping@waikato.ac.nz)
2. APEPG Contact: John Houlker (j.houlker@waikato.ac.nz)
3. Connectivity: [-IuF-]
4. Remark: Contact for Tuia (NZREIN Council) is
Neil James (neil@otago.ac.nz)
Contacts for RINSEAP Project (UNESCO) are
Dr. John Hine (john.hine@comp.vuw.ac.nz)
Andy Linton (andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz)
.
Singapore Last Updated: 1992.6.30
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Technet (Singapore's R&D Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Dr. Tommi T.N. Chen (tommi@solomon.technet.sg)
Assistant Director (Networking), Head of Technet Unit
Computer Centre, National University of Singapore
2. APEPG Contact: Dr. Tommi T.N. Chen
3. Connectivity: [bIuFO]
64 kbps lease line to JvNCnet (128 kbps upgrade
anytime now)
4. Remark:
.
Sri Lanka Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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LEARN (Lankan Experimental Academic and Research Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact: Dr. Abhaya Induruwa (abhaya@cse.mrt.ac.lk)
Head, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
University of Moratuwa
Moratuwa, Sri Lanka
2. APEPG Contact: Dr. Gihan Dias
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
University of Moratuwa
Moratuwa, Sri Lanka
3. Connectivity: [--U--]
4. Remark:
.
Taiwan Last Updated: 1992.6.24
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SEEDNET
1. APCCIRN Contact: Wen-chung Chang (chung@tpts1.seed.net.tw)
Institute for Information Industry
2. APEPG Contact: Wen-chung Chang
3. Connectivity: [BIuF-]
4. Remark:
BITNET-in-Taiwan
1. APCCIRN Contact: Wen-sung Chen (wschen@twnmoe10.bitnet)
Computer Center, Ministry of Education
Hoping E. Road Sec. 2, Taipei 10636
Taiwan
Voice: +886-2-737-7010
Fax: +886-2-737-7033
2. APEPG Contact: Wen-sung Chen
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark:
.
Thailand Last Updated: 1992.7.1
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ThaiSarn (Thai Social/Scientific Academic and Research Network)
1. APCCIRN Contact:
Dr. Hugh Thaweesak Koanatakool (htk@ipied.tu.ac.th)
National Electronics and Computer Technology Center
Ministry of Science, Technology and Environment
Rama 6 Road, Bangkok 10400
Thailand
Voice: +662-247-1482
Fax: +662-247-1335
Dr. Prachak Poomvises (fyta@ait.ait.th)
(prachak@chulkn.chula.ac.th from August 1992)
Centers of Academic Resources
Chulalongkorn University, Bangkok 10330
Thailand
Voice: +662-215-3100
Fax: +662-215-3617
2. APEPG Contact: Dr. Hugh Thaweesak Koanatakool (htk@ipied.tu.ac.th)
Dr. Prachak Poomvises (fyta@ait.ait.th)
3. Connectivity: [--uF-]
The connections to AARNet were made at AIT (Asian
Institute of Technology) and Thammasat University.
Local IP interconnection within ThaiSarn nodes are
expected to be completed by October 1, 1992.
4. Remark: ThaiSarn (Thai Social/Scientific, Academic and Research
Network), recently introduced by NECTEC.
Thailand (Chulalongkorn U.) is establishing a 9600 bps
leased line connection to AlterNet in June for a few
months test.
.
II. International Networks and Projects
________________________________________________________________________________
CAREN/JOINS (Consortium of Asian Research and Educational Networks)
Last Updated: 1992.6.29
1. APCCIRN Contact: Devendra Narayan (narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp)
Education Division, Information Processing Center
Science University of Tokyo
1-3, Kagurazaka, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 162
Japan
Voice: +81-3-3269-6011 ext1787
Fax: +81-3-3260-2280
2. APEPG Contact: Devendra Narayan
3. Connectivity: BITNET
4. Remark:
The CAREN.NET domain is being registered. This network
is connected via a 56K Internet link to the JvNCnet
based in Princeton, New Jersey, U.S.A.
In Asia, the Network operations center is located at
the Information Processing Center of the Science
University of Tokyo. CAREN also presently has RSCS
based connections with the Ministry of Education in
Taiwan and the Seoul National University in Republic
of Korea. These links are also likely to be converted
to 56K Internet links in the near future.
CAREN also represents over 80+ institutions in Japan,
19+ in Taiwan and 13+ in Republic of Korea that are
members of the BITNET associations of these countries.
It also represents the newly established JOIN (Japan
Organized InterNetwork), an Internet based network in
Japan. CAREN is also connected via 192K Internet link
to the JIX (SINET) and a 9.6K (soon to be upgraded to
192K) Internet link to the WIDE network in Japan.
NSI (NASA Science Internet) Last Updated: 1992.7.7
1. APCCIRN Contact: Jim Hart (hart@nsipo.nasa.gov)
NSI Management Representative
Tony Villasenor (villasen@nsipo.arc.nasa.gov)
NSI Program Management Representative
2. APEPG Contact: Milo Medin (medin@nsipo.nasa.gov)
NSI Technical Representative
3. Connectivity: [BIUF-]
4. Remark:
PACCOM (Pacific Communications Networking Project) Last Updated: 1992.6.24
1. APCCIRN Contact: Torben Nielsen (torben@hawaii.edu)
2. APEPG Contact: Torben Nielsen
3. Connectivity: [BIUF-]
4. Remark:
.
PNP (Pacific Neighborhood Project) Last Updated: 1992.6.24
1. APCCIRN Contact: Prof. Curtis Hardyck (hardyck@violet.berkeley.edu)
Vice Provost, Information Systems and Technology
University of California, Berkerly, CA 93720
USA
2. APEPG Contact:
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark:
UNESCO-BANGKOK Last Updated: 1992.6.24
1. APCCIRN Contact: Jorge E. Sequeira (uhjse@frunes21.bitnet)
UNESCO Principal Regional Office for Asia and Pacific
920 Sukhumvit Road, P.O.Box 967
Prakanong Post Office, Bangkok 10110
Thailand
Voice: +662-391-0703
Fax: +662-391-0866
2. APEPG Contact:
3. Connectivity:
4. Remark: Type of membership is to be defined
.
III. Individual Members Last Updated: 1992.7.13
________________________________________________________________________________
Ben McCahill (B.McCahill@ee.unitech.ac.pg)
Department Electrical Engineering
PNG University of Technology
Papua New Guinea
Voice: +675-434701
Prof. Jimmy Hwang (jhwang@wiley.csusb.edu)
Computer and Information Management Services
California State University, 5500 University Parkway
San Bernardino, California, 92407 USA
Voice: +1-714-880-5063
Prof. Bach Hung Khang (v834245217@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr)
Director, Institute of Informatics, Nghia Do, Tu Liem
Hanoi, Vietnam
Voice: +83-42-45405
Fax: +83-42-45217
Prof. Bernard S. Sheehan (sheehan@unixg.ubc.ca) (BC NET)
University of British Columbia
Fax: +86-1-256-7724
.
IV. Other Countries
__________________________________________________________________
Bangladesh [-----]
CIS [b-UF-]
Fiji [--u--] J.Clayton@usp.ac.fj
(Fiji, USP, John Clayton)
Guam [--u--]
Indonesia [--u--]
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of [-----]
Macau [---F-]
Mongolia [-----]
Nepal [-----]
Pakistan [--u--]
Papua New Guines [--u--] B. McCahill@ee.unitech.ac.pg
(Papua New Guines, U. of Technology, N.McCahill)
Philipines [--uF-]
.
V. APCCIRN-ALL Mailing List (apccirn-all@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr)
_______________________________________________________________________________
P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au (Australia, AARNet, Peter Elford)
G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au (Australia, AARNet, Geoff Houston)
bob@sarad.cs.su.oz.au (Australia, U. Sydney, Bob Kummerfeld)
Robin.Erskine@anu.edu.au (Australia, Robin Erskine)
qian@ica.beijing.canet.cn (China, CANET, Tian-Bai Qian)
rotert@ira.uka.de (German, U. of Karlsruhe, Michael Rotert)
J.Clayton@usp.ac.nz (Fiji, USP, John Clayton)
ccdanny@usthk.ust.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, Danny Tang)
cclaw@usthk.ust.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, Lawrence H.Y Law)
ccmax@usthk.ust.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, William Max Ivey)
dtpalmer@hkucc.hku.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, David T. Palmer)
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, P.T. Ho)
hcxcnng@hkucc.hku.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, N. Ng)
wyng@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (Hong Kong, Will W Y Ng)
hclo@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (Hong Kong, Eric Lo)
Alan-Ho@CSC.mgate1.cuhk.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, Alan Ho)
ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in (India, ERNET, S. Ramakrishnan)
asano@nacsis.ac.jp (Japan, Nacsis, Shoichiro Asano)
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Japan, JCRN, Haruhisa Ishida)
kamae@tkyvax.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Japan, TISN, Tsuneyosh Kamae)
karita@kek.jp (Japan, HEPnet-J, Yukio Karita)
ichii@kek.jp (Japan, HEPnet-J, Shingo Ichii)
kusumoto@wide.ad.jp (Japan, WIDE, Hiroyuki Kusumoto)
jun@wide.ad.jp (Japan, WIDE, Jun Murai)
narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp (Japan, BITNETJP, Koki Higashida)
jm@eng.isas.ac.jp (Japan, SINET, Jun Matsukata)
kahaner@cs.titech.ac.jp (Japan, U.S. ONR, D.K. Kahaner)
mendez@isr.recruit.co.jp (Japan, ISR, Raul Mendez)
ymori@cisco.com (Japan, Cisco Systems Japan, Toichiro Mori)
chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Korea, ANC, Kilnam Chon)
yhchoi@krsnucc1.bitnet (Korea, KREN, Yanghee Choi)
ohbyeon@garam.kreonet.re.kr (Korea, KREONet, Okwhan Byeon)
bckim@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (Korea, SDN, Byungchun Kim)
hjpark@dino.media.co.kr (Korea, ANC, Hyunje Park)
bhchung@ercc.snu.ac.kr (Korea, KREN, Byungho Chung)
moonh@ring.kotel.co.kr (Korea, SDN, Moonhaeng Huh)
egkim@erccw1.snu.ac.kr (Korea, KREN, Eunkyung Kim)
dove@garam.kreonet.re.kr (Korea, KREONet, Jaeyong Lee)
chlim@garam.kreonet.re.kr (Korea, KREONet, Chaeho Lim)
taeha@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Korea, ANC, Taeha Park)
jysong@ring.kotel.co.kr (Korea, SDN, Jooyoung Song)
abhaya@cse.mrt.ac.lk (Sri Lanka, LEARN, Abhaya Induruwa)
mal@rangkom.my (Malaysia, JARING , Mohamed Awang-Lah)
rafee@rangkom.my (Malaysia, JARING , M. Rafee Yusoff)
Ian.Forrester@morst.govt.nz (New Zealand, MORST, Ian Forrester)
M.Topping@waikato.ac.nz (New Zealand, NZREIN, Mark Topping)
J.houlker@waikato.ac.nz (New Zealand, NZREIN, John Houlker)
Neil@otago.ac.nz (New Zealand, NZREIN, Neil James)
John.Hine@comp.vuw.ac.nz (New Zealand, UNESCO, John Hine)
Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (New Zealand, UNESCO, Andy Linton)
B.McCahill@ee.unitech.ac.pg (Papua New Guines, U. of Technology, N.McCahill)
tommi@solomon.technet.sg (Singapore, Technet, Tommy Chen)
chung@tpts1.seed.net.tw (Taiwan, SEEDNET, Wen-chung Chang)
wschen@twnmoe10.bitnet (Taiwan, BITNET in Taiwan, Wen-sung Chen)
phon@ipied.tu.ac.th (Thailand, ThaiSarn, Marragot Chiwaganont)
htk@ipied.tu.ac.th (Thailand, ThaiSarn, H.T. Koanatakool)
fyta@ait.ait.th (Thailand, ThaiSarn/AlterNet, Prachak Poomvises)
Torben@hawaii.edu (Paccom, Torben Nielsen)
david@hawaii.edu (Paccom, David Lassner)
mori@jpnsut10.bitnet (CAREN/JOIN, Mizuho Mori)
narayan@cc.kagu.sut.ac.jp (CAREN/JOIN, Devendra Narayan)
hardyck@violet.berkeley.edu (PNP, Curtis Hardyck)
uhjse@frunes21.bitnet (UNESCO-Bangkok, Jorge E. Sequeira)
sheehan@unixg.ubc.ca (BC Net, Bernard S. Sheehan)
bostwick@darpa.mil (FNC, Bill Bostwick)
hart@nsipo.nasa.gov (Nasa, Jim Hart)
lumb@orion.arc.nasa.gov (Nasa, Dale Lumb)
medin@nsipo.nasa.gov (Nasa, Milo Medin)
villasen@nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (Nasa, Tony Villasenor)
jhwang@wiley.csusb.edu (CSU-SB, Jimmy Hwang)
Irene.Koevoets@SURFnet.nl (CCIRN, Kees Neggers)
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Kilnam,
If I have the say, I like to commend your work on the membership list.
Jimmy Hwang
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Kilnam,
> karita@kek.jp <Japan, HEPnet-J/TISN, Yukio Karita>
????
I have no idea on how my representation came to include TISN. I haven't
yet heard any from anyone on this matter. Is this requested by TISN?
Best regards,
Yukio
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Kilnam,
I had reviewed the membership list. I found only three members from
USA, including one from Hawaii. I am willing to bet that other *CIRN
like Europe must have a significant number of US participants. With my
background in Asia region, I would recommend the board to recruit some
more active participants from USA. After all, the internet was originally
developed in USA. APCCIRN should emphasize on technology transfer in
many respects.
Jimmy Hwang, Ph.D.
Cal.State University, San BErnardino
(714)-880-5063
(714)-880-7001 (FAX)
7-15-92
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Subject: next steps
As we have finished TOR and are finishing Member List and Country File,
I would like to move to the following;
1. International Link/Connection
We will send you what we compiled on international links, please review and
update the content. We would like to have a similar link database to the one
in Europe.
2. Network/
We need the up-to-date network/association description, and we will start from
what appeared in Internet Society Newsletters and INET proceedings. We will
send you what we compiled in a week or so. Please review and comment.
chon
PS: The above two work items will be the last items to set up the infrastructure
to start APCCIRN. In August I would like to start on issues we are
facing. Please let me know if you have any idea on what to work for the
AP region.
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Subject: next APCCIRN Meeting
The current APCCIRN Meeting starting from Tokyo/Kobe in June is closing soon
with the following results;
1. Terms of Reference
2. Country File
3. Member List
4. International Links and Connections
We plan to revisit the above items at the next APCCIRN Meeting in December.
I discussed the next meeting with various people, and my proposal is as follows;
December 6-8 UNESCO Workshop(coordinated by Mr. Sequeira of UNESCO)
December 9-10 APCCIRN Meeting
Both meetings will take place in Bangkok. We may change the number of the
days depending on items to cover.
Let me know on your comments on this matter. I will send you the detail
plan for the meeting soon.
chon
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This is the first issue on the work items for APCCIRN. My current thinking on
the work items are as follows;
1992.7.10
Kilnam Chon
Areas of Work/Engineering Plan for APCCIRN
1. Line Database
Korea/all
2. Traffic Analysis
Korea/all
3. I18N/L10N
HK/Taiwan/Singapore/China
4. (Technology)
5. Organization Issues(Backbone, NIC,...)
Japan/Australia
6. Funding/Charging
PACCOM
7. Meeting/projects
Korea/NZ/UNESCO/PNP
Let me know on any other proposal and my proposal for APCCIRN to spend the next
few years.
chon
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Hi, Chon,
I can attend Bangkok meeting in December both UNESCO workshop and
APCCIRN meeting. I have no objection for your proposal.
Regards,
Shoichiro
asano@nacsis.ac.jp
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Subject: reference material for the APCCIRN work items
EuroCCIRN/EEPG delivered the final report on their initial work items. The
following is the information.
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1992.8.1
European Engineering Planning Group - Final Report(Summary)
ECCIRN/EEPG delivered the final report on May 2, 1991, and was published
by RARE.
The contents are as follows.
Introduction
1. A quick and coarse analysis of the present international European
traffic flows and an estimate of its potential development
Introduction
The user community
The present situation
Future applications and their needs
Summary
2. A survey of existing international lines and resources used in European
international networking
Introduction
Summary of information
Maintenance of the lines database
3. Available technologies on which a backbone data communicatios network
could be based
Introduction
Present situation
Requirements
Possible short term solutions
X.25 with embedding of other layer 3 protocols
TDM with parallelism of layer 3 protocols
Future solutions
ATM
Frame relay
4. Organizational possibilities of how a European research backbone could
be operated
Introduction
Overview
Roles and responsibilities
Controlling and reporting relationships
Approaches to establishing the organization
5. Summary and recommendations
Technical solutions
ATM pilot
Organization
Appendices
Lines, country connectivity and city connectivity
Notes on embedding IP over X.25
Remark: For further information, contact
RARE Secretariat(Marieke Dekker at dekker@rare.nl)
Postbus 41882
NL-1009 DB Amsterdam
The Netherlands
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chon
From gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au Tue Aug 11 11:05:27 1992
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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Subject: APCCIRN membership for Australia
Kilnam,
AARNet wishes to request that Dr Robin Erskine's name be added to the
APCCIRN member list in addition to myself, as a representative
of AARNet.
Dr Erskine is currently a member of the AARNet Board, and, as I
understand the membership document, meets the criteria for membership
of this group.
Many thanks,
Geoff Huston,
Manager, AARNet
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Subject: APCCIRN Chair nomination
1992.8.13
The APCCIRN Meeting starting from June in Japan is nearing completion as
most of initial tasks have been solved. I have been working as the acting
chair of APCCIRN so far.
Shall we go through the nomination of the APCCIRN Chair now, or shall we
do it in December during the next APCCIRN meeting. It makes more sense
to have the nomination now before completing the (electronical) meeting so
that the Chair can work on the preparation for the second Meeting in December
as well as other work items. On the other hand, the asynchronous meeting
like this electronical meeting is not particularly suited for the nomination
and/or voting.
Let me know on your idea on this matter.
chon
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Hi, Chon,
I think APCCIRN in December, probably at Bangkok, is the place
to elect APCCIRN Chair, because active national reprentative will
meet together and will exchange opinion at there. Email talk
is not good on this particular issue.
Shoichiro Asano
asano@nacsis.ac.jp
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Please review the following tentative agenda for the Bangkok Meeting in
10-11 December 1992. Please also notify on your participation and presentation/
contribution.
chon
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1992.9.1
Kilnam Chon
Subject: Tentative Agenda for APCCIRN Meeting in December 1992
1. Report and review of the last APCCIRN Meeting
Terms of Reference
Member List
Country File
Network Description
International Link
2. Work items for APCCIRN
Traffic Analysis
Internationalization/Localization
Organizational Issues(Backbone, NIC,...)
Funding/Charging Model
others
3. Discussion on the next CCIRN Meeting in February 1993
GIX
Future Technology
CCIRN v.s. Internet Society
X.500
(others)
4. Election of APCCIRN officers
APCCIRN Chair
APCCIRN Delegates to CCIRN Meeting
others
5. Country/Network report
(this may be done during UNESCO Workshop or jointly.)
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Subject: next APCCIRN meeting
We have to finalize the next APCCIRN meeting schedule. The UNESCO Workshop
may not take place as scheduled. Moreover, we cannot use Chulalongkorn
University housing facility as it is fully booked. We have the following
three options.
1. Go ahead as scheduled in Bangkok, Dec. 10-11(at some hotel)
There is Thailand IT Week in the week.
2. Hold the meeting in Seoul in the same week or earlier
This is best for me since I can handle local arrangement, too.
3. Hold the meeting before PNP(Jan. 14-15) in Honolulu, i.e., Jan.12-13
This is good if there are some overlap in participation(& weather).
Let me know which one you CANNOT participate, and which one you prefer.
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CANNOT Participate Preference
1. Bangkok, Dec.10-11
(as scheduled)
2. Seoul, Dec.4-5,11-12
3. Honolulu, Jan.12-13
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chon
PS: will decide by the end of this week(hopefully). there is CCIRN meeting in
Brussells in Feb.18-19. please let me know if you are available for the
trip. i expect three to five participants from Asia-Pacific.
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From: narayan@sut.ac.jp
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Subject: Re: next APCCIRN meeting
>We have to finalize the next APCCIRN meeting schedule. The UNESCO Workshop
>may not take place as scheduled. Moreover, we cannot use Chulalongkorn
>University housing facility as it is fully booked. We have the following
>three options.
>
>1. Go ahead as scheduled in Bangkok, Dec. 10-11(at some hotel)
> There is Thailand IT Week in the week.
>2. Hold the meeting in Seoul in the same week or earlier
> This is best for me since I can handle local arrangement, too.
>3. Hold the meeting before PNP(Jan. 14-15) in Honolulu, i.e., Jan.12-13
> This is good if there are some overlap in participation(& weather).
>
>Let me know which one you CANNOT participate, and which one you prefer.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> CANNOT Participate Preference
>
>1. Bangkok, Dec.10-11
> (as scheduled)
>2. Seoul, Dec.4-5,11-12
>
>3. Honolulu, Jan.12-13
>
Dear Prof. Chon,
From CAREN and BITNET-JP/JOIN we expect two representatives to
attend the next APCCIRN meeting. Our first preference would be Seoul, Dec.
4-5 and second Bangkok, Dec. 10-11.
Thanks and regards,
Devendra Narayan,
Oct. 12, 1992
********************************************************
Devendra Narayan,
Education Division, POSTAL: 1-3, Kagurazaka,
Information Processing Center, Shinjuku Ku,
Science University of Tokyo. TOKYO 162. JAPAN.
PHONE : (03) 3269-6011 ext. 1787 FAX : (03) 3260-2280
BITNET : narayan@carenic
INTERNET : narayan@sut.ac.jp, narayan@caren.net
From chon Fri Oct 16 14:20:19 1992
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Subject: revised agenda for the next APCCIRN meeting
the following is the revised agenda for the next meeting. please comment
on the content, and let me know on the following;
1. add any other items
2. volunteer on any item, in particular the ones marked by "?"
3. add documents to the relevant items
4. discuss on the contents
chon
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1992.10.16
Kilnam Chon
Subject: Tentative Agenda for APCCIRN Meeting in December 1992
1. Review of the Last APCCIRN Meeting
1.1 Terms of Reference APCCIRN-002 apccirn-sec
1.2 Member List APCCIRN-004 apccirn-sec
1.3 Country File APCCIRN-005 apccirn-sec
1.4 Network Description APCCIRN-008 apccirn-sec
1.5 International Link APCCIRN-007 apccirn-sec
2. Work items for APCCIRN
2.1 Traffic Analysis ?
2.2 Internationalization/Localization ?
2.3 Organizational Issues(Backbone, NIC,...) ?
2.4 Funding/Charging Model
2.5 others
3. Discussion on the Next CCIRN Meeting in February 1993
3.1 GIX ?
3.2 Future Technology ?
3.3 CCIRN v.s. Internet Society ?
3.4 X.500 ?
3.5 others ?
4. Election of APCCIRN Officers
4.1 APCCIRN Chair
4.2 APCCIRN Delegates to CCIRN Meeting
4.3 APEPG Chair
4.4 others
5. Country/Network/Project Report
5.1 European Link Tashiro(Japan)
5.2 Vietnam Zorn(Germany)
5.3 PNP Hardyck(PNP)
6. Meeting Report
6.1 PACCOM Nielson(PACCOM)
6.2 IEPG(Nov. 1992) ?
6.3 IETF(Nov. 1992) ?
7. Next Meetings
7.1 PNP 14-15 Jan. 1992
7.2 CCIRN 18-19 Feb. 1992
7.3 INET 17-20 Aug. 1993
7.4 APCCIRN 20-21 Aug. 1993
7.5 CCIRN 23-24 Aug. 1993
Remark: IEPG meetings in 1993 have not been scheduled yet.
IETF meetings will be held in March, July, and November.
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PS: plan to announce the agenda to apccirn-all next week for further
discussion.
From chon Tue Oct 20 12:53:16 1992
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Subject: UNESCO Workshop
I just received a message from UNESCO-bangkok stating that it will have the
UNESCO Workshop on computer networking in early next year instead of December
1992 as originally scheduled. The tentative date is the first week of February.
This may force us the three similar meetings in the coming months(Dec. 1992 ~
Feb. 1993). I need sometime to resolve the meeting issue, i.e., minimizing
the number of meetings.
The followings are the tentative schedule of the relevant meetings;
IEPG/IETF 15-20 Nov. 1992 Washington, D.C.
APCCIRN 10-11 Dec. 1992 Bangkok
PNP 14-15 Jan. 1993 Honolulu
UNESCO Workshop First Week of Feb.1993(?) Bangkok(?)
CCIRN 18-19 Feb. 1993 Brussels
chon
PS: I plan to finalize the APCCIRN meeting as soon as possible(by early next
week).
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From: Torben Noerup Nielsen <torben@Hawaii.Edu>
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Subject: re: UNESCO Workshop
To: Kilnam Chon <chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>
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How about publishing the current votes for the meeting location? I'm curious
as to how it's going...
Torben
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>How about publishing the current votes for the meeting location? I'm curious
>as to how it's going...
>
>
>Torben
I agree with Torben's comments. The balance of the comments I have seen on
the mailing list appear to indicate a preference for colocation with the
PNP
Robin Erskine
Robin Erskine Telephone 61 6 249 0678 or 61 6 249 4519
Director, Computing Services FAX 61 6 249 5088
Australian National University E-mail Robin.Erskine@anu.edu.au
GPO Box 4, Canberra, ACT 2601
Australia
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I plan to attend PNP and CCIRN but cannot goto Bangkok in December. Ishida
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Yes, I like the idea of holding APCCIRN in Hawaii before/after PNP. Ishida
From chon Tue Dec 8 20:06:53 1992
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i requested to add 17 members to ccirn mailing list in addition to the current
list of 5 members.
major debate going now is on the following draft. if you need the past debate,
let me know.
chon
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To: ccirn@lbl.gov, iab@isi.edu, iesg@isi.edu, usac@isi.edu, wgc@fnc.gov,
ncc@ripe.net, domains@bitnic.educom.edu
Subject: DRAFT *** IANA POLICY ON TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN DELEGATION *** DRAFT
Cc: iana@isi.edu, ScottW@nic.ddn.mil, k13@nikhef.nl, dfk@ripe.net,
BobM@nic.ddn.mil, rv@deins.informatik.uni-dortmund.de,
Klensin@infoods.mit.edu, Dave.Morton@ecrc.de
Status: OR
Hello:
To those of you that saw and commented on the first draft, thanks. I
hope you find this second draft an improvement. To all, please read
and comment on this second draft.
--jon.
2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT 2nd DRAFT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IANA POLICY ON TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN DELEGATION
The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) is responsible for the
overall coordination and management of the Domain Name System, and
especially the delegation of portions of the name space called
top-level domains. Most of these top-level domains are two-letter
country codes taken from the ISO standard 3166.
A central Internet Registry (IR) has been selected and designated to
handled the bulk of the day-to-day administration of the Domain Name
System. Applications for new top-level domains (for example, country
code domains) are handled by the IR with consultation with the IANA.
The central IR is NIC.DDN.MIL.
This memo describes the policy concerns involved when a new top-level
domain is established usually by delegating its management to a
"designated manager" for the top-level domain.
The major concern in selecting a designated manager for a top-level
domain is that it be able to carry out the necessary responsibilities,
and have the ability to do a equitable, just, honest, and competent job.
1) The key requirement from the IANA's point of view is that for each
top-level domain there be a designated manager for supervising that
domain's name space. In the case of top-level domains that are
country codes this means that there is a manager that supervises the
domain names and operates the domain name system in that country.
The manager must, of course, be on the Internet. There must be
Internet Protocol (IP) connectivity to the nameservers and email
connectivity to the management and staff of the manager.
There must be an administrative contact and a technical contact for
each top-level domain. For top-level domains that are country codes
at least the administrative contact must reside in the country
involved.
2) These designated authorities are trustees for the delegated
domain, and have a duty to serve the community.
The designated manager is the trustee of the top-level domain for
both the nation, in the case of a country code, and the global
Internet community.
Concerns about 'rights' and 'ownership' of top-level domains are
inappropriate. It is appropriate to be concerned about
'responsibilities' and 'service' to the community.
3) The designated manager must be equitable to all groups in the
domain that request domain names.
This means that the same rules are applied to all requests, all
requests are processed in a non-discriminatory fashion, and academic
and commercial (and other) users are treated on an equal basis. No
bias shall be shown regarding requests that may come from customers of
some other business related to the manager -- e.g., no preferential
service for customers of a particular data network provider. There
can be no requirement that a particular mail system (or other
application), protocol, or product be used.
There are no requirement on subdomains of top-level domains beyond the
requirements on top-level domains themselves. That is, the
requirements in this memo are applied recursively. In particular, all
subdomains shall be allowed to operate their own domain name servers,
providing in them whatever information the subdomain manager sees fit
(as long as it is true and correct).
4) That significantly interested parties in the domain agree that
the designated manager is the appropriate party.
The IANA tries to have any contending parties reach agreement among
themselves, and generally takes no action to change things unless all
the contending parties agree; only in cases where the designated
manager has substantially mis-behaved would the IANA step in.
However it is appropriate for interested parties to have some voice in
selecting the designated manager.
There are two case where the IANA and the central IR may establish a
new top-level domain and delegate only a portion of it: (1) there are
contending parties that cannot agree, or (2) the applying party may
not be able to represent or serve the whole country. The later case
sometimes arises when a party outside a courtry is trying to be
helpful in getting networking started in a country -- this is sometimes
called a "proxy" DNS service.
(A proposed rule to settle differences that can not be resolved by the
parties themselves in the case of a country code top-level domain is
to refer the matter to the country authority that participated in
ISO-3166 (usually the State Department or Foreign Office). Please
suggest a better rule!)
5) That the designated manager do a satisfactory job of operating
the DNS service for the domain.
That is, the actual management of the assigning of domain names,
delegating subdomains and operating nameservers must be done with
technical competence. This includes keeping the central IR advised of
the status of the domain, responding to requests in a timely manner,
and operating the database with accuracy, robustness, and resilience.
There must be a primary and a secondary nameserver that have IP
connectivity to the Internet and can be easily checked for operational
status and database accuracy by the IR and the IANA.
6) For any transfer of the designated manager trusteeship from one
organization to another, the IANA needs to receive communications from
both the old organization and the new organization that assure the IANA
that the transfer in mutually agreed, and that the new organization
understands its responsibilities.
It is also very helpful for the IANA to receive communications from
other parties that may be concerned or affected by the transfer.
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Subject: INET93 Developing Countries Workshop Announcement
>Subject: INET93 Developing Countries Workshop Announcement
>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 93 12:52:36 -0800
>From: Barry M. Leiner <leiner@nsipo.nasa.gov>
>
>
>I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this announcement to people
>whom you feel would be interested and could benefit from the upcoming
>workshop.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Dr. Barry M. Leiner
>Chair, INET'93 Program Committee
>Universities Space Research Association
>625 Ellis Street, Suite 205 tel: (415) 390-0317
>Mountain View, CA 94043 fax: (415) 390-0318
>
>----------
>
>(The most recent version of this announcement is available via anonymous
>ftp from mordor.stanford.edu with path name
>~ftp/pub/inet93/Workshop.announcement)
>
>
> INET '93
> Network Training Workshop for Developing Countries
>
>
> February 2, 1993
>
>
>In conjunction with the INET '93 Conference, the Internet Society is
>sponsoring a workshop for networking training for developing countries
>prior to the conference itself. The workshop will be held at Stanford
>University during August 10-16, 1993.
>
>
>Goals
>-----
>
>The goals of the workshop are:
>
> 1. To train a critical mass of trainers/professionals in network
>infrastructure, transport and services to be able to support an
>extension of meaningful networking activities leading to Internet
>connectivity within developing countries represented.
>
> 2. To identify and share individual and institutional contacts as well
>as information sources that will assist the process of development,
>using international connections to and on the Internet.
>
> 3. To build robust professional linkages between all participants in
>the programs so that the mentor-student and peer relationships formed
>during the workshop and conference will remain strong and of continuing
>usefulness well beyond the workshop and conference.
>
> 4. To increase the level of cooperation among existing projects and
>activities for establishing data networks in developing countries.
>
>
>Program
>-------
>
>An intensive program of instruction is planned for each of three program
>tracks:
>
> 1. Basic technical transport training. This training is designed for
>network technicians and technical staff focusing upon the establishment
>and operation of an initial network presence in a country and possibly
>initiating the deployment of a basic national network infrastructure in
>the country. It is anticipated that this initial network presence will
>be upgraded at a later time to support full Internet connectivity.
>
>Participants in the basic technical track should have some hands-on
>experience administering a computer system. Additional experience with
>operating systems, modems, basic communications protocols and related
>topics is highly desirable, but not required. Upon completion,
>participants will be expected to teach these skills to others in their
>country, expanding the breadth of networking knowledge available
>nationally.
>
>Topics covered will include:
>
> - Overview of computer systems, operating systems, and data
> communications
> - Store-and-forward and packet network concepts; alternative
> network development approaches and protocols
> - Modem technology
> - UUCP networking: principles, operation, and management
> - Internet-connected electronic mail services
> - Internet basic structure and services
> - Organizational steps to setting up national nets
>
>Participants will work in small groups to configure a network of store-
>and-forward UUCP mail nodes, and will install electronic mail services
>on the network.
>
> 2. Advanced technical transport training. This training is designed
>for network engineers who may have operational UUCP or FidoNet links
>within their country and/or to other countries and who want to learn
>about establishing and maintaining an IP network. This track will
>teach how to install and operate low cost Internet links within a
>country and between countries. Philosophy and administration will be
>taught as well as host, router, and physical link operation. Upon
>completion, participants will be expected to teach these skills to
>others in their country, expanding the breadth of networking knowledge
>available nationally.
>
>Participants should know basic communications concepts and some
>protocols and should have had experience operating a network node,
>such as FidoNet, UUCP or IP. As most work will be done with DOS and
>routers, participants need have no UNIX experience, but it would be
>helpful. Attendees should be engineering-capable.
>
>Topics covered will include:
>
> - TCP/IP protocols; IP routing principles and capabilities
> - Routers: DOS-based and commercial products
> - The domain naming system; name servers and services
> - Management and debugging of routed networks
> - Issues in multi-protocol environments
> - Functions and operation of a network information center (NIC) and a
> network operations center (NOC)
> - Network administration and security
>
>Participants will engage in extensive hands-on training, setting up a
>group of prototype low-cost IP-based nodes and establishing a network
>with them. In addition, participants will be able to take advantage of
>the workshop's location in Silicon Valley to visit several major
>suppliers of networking hardware and software for technical
>presentations and discussions.
>
> 3. Network navigation and services training. This training is
>designed for network information specialists focusing upon how to use
>connectivity to the Internet to obtain access to specialists, network
>resources, and information in electronic data bases. This group
>includes but is not limited to librarians, development specialists, and
>information specialists within government, higher education, and non-
>governmental organizations (NGOs).
>
>The purpose of the track is to provide participants with the skills to
>discover and exploit the various network services available on the
>Internet worldwide. Upon completion, participants will be expected to
>teach these skills to others in their country, expanding the breadth of
>networking knowledge available nationally.
>
>Participants should have had some hands-on experience using a computer
>system. Additional experience with operating systems, modems, basic
>communications protocols and related topics is highly desirable, but is
>not assumed.
>
>Topics covered will include:
>
> - Development of global data communications and impact upon developing
> countries
> - Personal electronic communication: locating experts and establishing
> effective communications
> - Many-to-many communication: UseNet News
> - Telnet: Remote access to computing systems and information services
> - FTP: Finding and retrieving network-accessible information files
> - Electronic libraries: on-line catalogs, periodicals and databases
> - Internet navigation tools and information search strategies
>
>Participants will engage in extensive hands-on training, accessing and
>using actual Internet resources through Stanford University's computing
>facilities.
>
>In additional to undergoing technical training and laboratory work,
>participants in all three tracks will have an opportunity to have dinner
>and spend an evening with a host family in the Silicon Valley area.
>
>
>Location
>--------
>
>The workshop will be held at Stanford University, in Palo Alto,
>California, U.S.A. Palo Alto is approximately 30 kilometers south of
>the San Francisco International Airport and 50 kilometers south of the
>city of San Francisco. Limousine transport is available from San
>Francisco Airport to Palo Alto.
>
>Workshop sessions will take place in the Jordan Quadrangle and at the
>Elliott Program Center. Participants will be housed in student housing
>within the Sterling Quadrangle, located a 5 minute walk away from
>workshop session locations.
>
>
>Dates
>-----
>
>Participants should plan to arrive at Stanford University on the
>afternoon of Tuesday, August 10th. Workshops sessions will be held all
>day from Wednesday, August 11th through Monday, August 16th.
>Transportation will be provided to San Francisco at the end of the
>workshop.
>
>The INET '93 Conference will be held at the Hyatt Embarcadero Hotel in
>San Francisco. The Conference begins on the evening of Tuesday, August
>17th and continues through Friday, August 20th.
>
>
>Working language
>----------------
>
>The working language of the workshop will be English. A working
>knowledge of English will be required of each participant. Additional
>language skills will be supplied by members of the workshop training
>staff.
>
>
>Eligibility
>-----------
>
>The workshop is specifically directed toward the needs of people from
>developing countries who are playing or will play an important part in
>introducing and extending networking in their countries. Attendees
>should be involved in establishing a networking presence in their
>countries, in institutionalizing its operation, and in assisting the
>country's schools and universities, governmental agencies, non-
>governmental organizations, local firms, and residents in learning about
>and exploiting the range of services available through such network
>connectivity. Staff members of international and bilateral technical
>co-operation agencies, as well as professionals involved in
>international technical and development assistance, are eligible for
>attendance.
>
>It is the responsibility of participants to obtain appropriate visas for
>travel to the United States, if needed, to attend the workshop and the
>related conferences.
>
>Enrollment is limited to about 100 people. We encourage you to apply as
>early as possible.
>
>
>Costs
>-----
>
>The cost of attending the workshop and the INET '93 conference is U.S.
>$1,500. This fee includes:
>
> o All tuition and fees for the workshop
>
> o All lodging and meal charges, starting with dinner on Tuesday
> evening, August 10th through lunch on Monday, August 16th
>
> o Transportation to industrial site visits and from Stanford
> University to the San Francisco hotel district at the end of
> the workshop on Monday, August 16th
>
> o Registration at the INET '93 Conference (August 17-20), including
> meals and social events included in conference registration.
> Almost all meals during the Conference are covered by this fee.
>
>The fee does not include any transportation costs except for local
>transportation in the San Francisco area as noted above.
>
>Participants will be housed in student housing in the Sterling
>Quadrangle at Stanford University, along with some of the workshop
>instructors.
>
>Participants should plan to budget an additional amount in the range of
>$75-$100 per day for food and lodging for 4 days and nights in San
>Francisco. (Almost all meals during INET '93 are included in the
>conference registration fee and are therefore included in the workshop
>fee.) Participants wishing to remain in San Francisco for an additional
>week for the INTEROP '93 Fall Conference and Exhibits should budget an
>additional $100-$125 per day for 7 days to cover lodging and meals plus
>approximately $1,000 for INTEROP '93 Fall conference registration and
>tutorials.
>
>
>Financial assistance
>--------------------
>
>Financial assistance to cover a part or all of each participant's
>expenditures is expected be available to deserving and financially needy
>candidates. The total resources expected to be available to INET '93
>for financial assistance are adequate to meet a significant portion but
>by no means all of the demand from participants requiring such
>assistance. Participants needing financial assistance are strongly
>encouraged to seek other sources of funding to meet a part of their
>expenses in addition to requesting funds from INET '93.
>
>Financial assistance will be allocated to participants on the basis of
>both their financial need and their expected contribution to network
>development in their country. If you request financial assistance for
>the workshop, please provide the financial information requested in the
>application for admission.
>
>Financial assistance for workshop and conference attendance will be
>disbursed in one or more of the following forms: partial or total
>support of the workshop and conference registration fee, prepaid airline
>tickets available at point of departure, and cash stipends for INET '93
>living expenses, which will be disbursed during the workshop.
>
>
>Application for admission
>-------------------------
>
>To apply for admission to the workshop, please complete the attached
>form and submit it to INET '93 Workshop Headquarters by May 1, 1993. If
>you expect to attend the workshop as the result of being awarded a
>United Nations or similar fellowship awarded by a multilateral or
>bilateral aid agency, it would be useful if a copy of the fellowship
>application were appended to the application.
>
>Applicants will be notified of their acceptance to the program and the
>amount of financial assistance available for them during the first week
>of June. Applicants who are admitted will be asked to verify their
>attendance by mid-June, based upon the amount of assistance that can be
>made available.
>
>Applicants are strongly encouraged to submit some form of electronic
>address when available (possibly telex or fax) in order to expedite
>notification of their acceptance as well as further correspondence
>regarding participation.
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> INET '93 Developing Countries Network Training Workshop
> Application for Admission
>
>
>
>Name:
>
>Address:
>
>Employer:
>
>Telephone:
>
>Telex:
>
>Fax:
>
>Electronic mail address (if any):
>
>Nationality:
>
>Knowledge of English:
>
>
> __
>Track applied for: |__| Basic technical track
> (check one) __
> |__| Advanced technical track
> __
> |__| Network services track
>
>
>
>1. Please summarize your educational background and relate your training
>to the prerequisites for the track you would like to attend.
>
>2. Please describe your current job and duties and how they relate to
>data networking activities in your country.
>
>3. Please describe how you expect to implement the knowledge you gain
>through attendance at the workshop and conference(s) upon your return to
>your country. Do you anticipate any change in your position or duties
>when you return as a result of your participation in these events?
>
>4. If you are requesting financial aid from INET '93 for attending the
>workshop and conference, please provide an itemized expenditure budget
>for your travel and expenses. Please also provide an income budget
>containing sources of income that are available to you for attending.
>Please include with your application a signed statement from the head of
>your institution stating that no additional funds (beyond those included
>in your income budget) are available to you for the purpose of
>undertaking this travel and participating in this training and
>conference activity.
>
>5. Please describe any issues or circumstances that would affect your
>participation in the workshop, e.g. physical disabilities, medical
>conditions, or dietary restrictions.
>
>
>
>
>
>Signature: ________________________________ Date: _________________
>
>
>Please return this application to:
>
> Mail: INET '93 Developing Countries Workshop
> c/o USRA
> 625 Ellis Street, Suite 205
> Mountain View, California 94043
> U.S.A.
>
> Voice: 1.415.390.0317
> Facsimile: 1.415.390.0318
>
> Telex: 235128 NYU UR
> (Attention: INET '93 Developing Countries Workshop)
>
>Applications may be submitted electronically by sending electronic mail
>to:
>
> workshop-request@inet93.stanford.edu
>
>
>======================================================================
>
>
>George Sadowsky, Director Phone: (212) 998-3040
>Academic Computing Facility Fax: (212) 995-4120
>New York University Telex: 235128 NYU UR
>251 Mercer Street Bitnet: sadowsky@nyuacf
>New York, New York 10012-1185 Internet: sadowsky@nyu.edu
>
>
==================================================
Devendra Narayan
Information Processing Center
Science University of Tokyo
E-mail : narayan@sut.ac.jp or narayan@caren.net
==================================================
==================================================
Devendra Narayan
Information Processing Center
Science University of Tokyo
E-mail : narayan@sut.ac.jp or narayan@caren.net
==================================================
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I have not received the draft record of APCCIRN Meeting. Since I don't want to
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APCCIRN Meeting Minutes -- 1993.1.12-13
This document contains minutes of the first official APCCIRN meeting was held
in 1993.1.12-13 at the Hyatt Regency, Waikiki, Honolulu.
The meeting agenda is in Appendix A. The attendees were:
(attendee list)
0. Background
The establishment of APCCIRN was discussed during INET'91 in Copenhagen in
June 1991. Several preliminary meetings were held. The first preliminary
meeting was held during the PACCOM meeting in Honolulu in August 1991, which
elected two acting co-chairs; S. Asano and R. Erskine to hold the first
official APCCIRN meeting. The second preliminary meeting was held during the
CCIRN meeting in Santa Fe, USA in November 1991, which mainly focused on the
IBM proposal for survey of the Asian Pacific region. The third preliminary
meeting was held during the CCIRN meeting in Tokyo in June 1992, which elected
the acting chair, K. Chon to hold the first official meeting. Terms of
Reference for APCCIRN was drafted last summer through networked discussion.
The initial set of documents such as country survey, member lists and the
international link list were developed. (See the APCCIRN Document List in
cosmos.kaist.ac.kr for detail information.)
1. Review of the APCCIRN documents
Terms of Reference(001) and Member List(002) were reviewed, and no corrections
were made. Other documents(005, 007, and 008) were decided to be reviewed in
5. Country/Network/Project Report.
2. Work Items
2.1 Traffic Analysis
Traffic analysis was not discussed due to lack of contribution papers. This
item was postponed to future APCCIRN meetings.
2.2 Internationalization and Localization(I18N/L10N)
The internationalization and localization was discussed in detail.
Unfortunately, J. Hwang who coordinated the item could not attend the meeting.
He submitted the contribution paper. It was decided that J. Murai as well as
J. Hwang to coordinate with cooperation of members from other countries. Some
Japanese effort is archived in JAPAN/mule/* in sh.wide.ad.jp. Other countries
such as Korea and Taiwan support local languages substantially.
2.3 Link/Connection Model
This item was combined with 3.1 GIX. G. Huston made the presentation, and
recommended appropriate link and route coordination between AP Region and USA
including GIX. He suggested the need of operator's forum. It was decided to
recommend his suggestion to CCIRN. See Appendix B for the complete text.
2.4 Funding/Charging Model
The issue was discussed in detail at the last PACCOM meeting in August 1992,
and G. Huston will submit the output document to APCCIRN. There was the
comment in floor that the half circuit policy was unstable, and the "weakest"
pays full circuit cost.
2.5 NIC
The NIC for APCCIRN Region(APNIC) was discussed. The APNIC's scope was defined
as
Resource Registration
Information Provision
NOC Support
NIC Cooperation
It was decided for JNIC(M. Hirabaru and J. Murai) to carry on APNIC experiment
with cooperation of other countries including Australia, Korea and New Zealand.
The scope of the APNIC experiment was defined, and the description was attached
in Appendix C.
3. Discussions for February CCIRN Meeting
3.1 CCIRN v.s. Internet Society (for AP Region)
This item was discussed in detail. There was some concern on relationship
between CCIRN and IEPG as CCIRN does not give tasks to IEPG contrary to the
CCIRN's charter. APCCIRN strongly recommended that CCIRN and IEPG to cooperate
with commercial operators such as inclusion of the commercial operators as
IEPG members. It was recommended that CCIRN and Internet Society to cooperate
more closely. APCCIRN will explore on active cooperation with Internet Society.
3.2 X.500
Paradise Project was explained briefly. Japan and Australia among other
countries cooperate with the project now. Other countries are encouraged to
cooperate. The localization, i.e., local language support was commented in
2.2 I18N/L10N.
4. Election of APCCIRN Officers
The following persons were elected to Chairs:
Kilnam Chon APCCIRN Chair, and
Jun Murai APEPG Chair.
The following persons participate the February CCIRN Meeting;
S. Asano
H. Cho
K. Chon
H. Ishida
J. Murai
5. Country/Network/Project Reports
5.1 Thailand
Thailand established the 9.6 Kbps leased line to UUNET last year. It has the
9.6 Kbps leased line to AIT in Thailand, and expects another leased line to
Changmai University.
5.2 Vietnam
Institute of Informatics in Hanoi had experimental dialup connection to
Karlsruhe University in Germany last fall. K. Chon is following up on the
connection, and visits Hanoi in February 1993.
5.3 Pacific Neighborhood Consortium(PNC)
Pacific Neighborhood Consortium was presented by J. Hardyck with the information
package of its meeting, which took place following APCCIRN at the same location.
PNC is a meta-network focusing on networked information among the Pacific rim,
similar to the successful Coalition of Networked Information in USA.
5.4 Pacific Islands
J. Clayton of University of South Pacific in Fiji presented the University of
South Pacific Network spanning the following campus of the South Pacific
countries:
Fiji, Niue, Cook Islands, Tonga, Western Samoa, Tuvalu, Kiribati,
Marshall Islands, Nauru, Solomon Islands, Tokelau, Kiribati, and
Vanuatu.
They are connected by dialup, and Fiji is discussing with Australia regarding
the leased line setup between them.
5.5 UNESCO
Regional Information Network Projects in several parts of the Asia-Pacific
regions such as South East Asia and Pacific(RINSEAP) and South Asia
(RINSA) are ongoing. In addition, UNESCO(J. Sequeira) in Bangkok is working
on the project development on the academic and research networks in the Asia
and Pacific region, and its paper on overview of a framework of development
was briefed. Its first meeting will be held in Seoul in June 1993 with
expected participation from 21 countries in the Asia and Pacific region.
5.6 Peking University/China
The case on campus networking in Peking University in China was presented.
The campus network as well as the metropolitan network connecting Peking
University, Academia Sinica, and Tsinghua University was described. The
local language support and the need of the international leased line for the
IP connection were described.
6. Meeting Report
Several meeting reports were made.
CCIRN June 1992 S. Asano/K. Chon
PACCOM August 1992 G. Huston
IEPG/IETF November 1992 J. Murai
7. Next Meeting
The next meeting will be held in Seoul in 31 May - 1 June 1993 proceeding
the UNESCO Meeting.
8. AOB
At the end of the first day, we went for the APCCIRN dinner with recommendation
of J. Chu(Hawaiian dinner).
We thanked J. Chu and D. Lassner or U. of Hawaii for excellent local
arrangement.
APPENDIX A: Agenda for APCCIRN Meeting in 1993.1.12-13
APCCIRN-011.1
1992.12.16
Kilnam Chon
Date: 12 January(8:30) - 13 January(17:00)
Location: Hyatt Regency, Waikiki, Honolulu
1. Review of the APCCIRN Documents
1.1 Terms of Reference(APCCIRN-002) apccirn-sec
1.2 Member List(APCCIRN-004) apccirn-sec
1.3 Country File(APCCIRN-005) apccirn-sec
1.4 Network Description(APCCIRN-008) apccirn-sec
1.5 International Link(APCCIRN-007) apccirn-sec
2. Work items for APCCIRN
2.1 Traffic Analysis all
2.2 Internationalization/Localization Hwang/HK(?)
(X/Open), (Japanese case), (Korean case), (RFCs)
2.3 Link/Connection Model ?
(GIX), (Ebone), (Bates' paper/IEPG output)
2.4 Funding/Charging Model ?
(output from last PACCOM meeting?)
2.5 NIC Hirabaru
(RIPE), (JNIC),
2.6 Naming/Addressing ?
(IANA), (X.400, X.500), (IP addressing space)
3. Discussion for February CCIRN Meeting
3.1 GIX ?
(overlap with 2.3 Link/Connection Model)
3.2 Future Technology ?
3.3 CCIRN v.s. Internet Society ?
(Leiner's paper)
3.4 X.500 ?
(Paradise Project)
4. Election of APCCIRN Officers
4.1 APCCIRN Chair
4.2 APCCIRN Delegates to CCIRN Meeting
4.3 APEPG Chair
5. Country/Network/Project Report
5.1 Thailand Teng-amnuay
5.2 Vietnam Zorn/Chon
5.3 Pacific Neighborhood Consortium(PNC) Hardyck
5.4 Pacific islands Clayton
5.5 UNESCO Sequeira/Chon
6. Meeting Report
6.1 CCIRN(June 1992) Chon
6.2 PACCOM(Aug. 1992) ?
6.3 IEPG/IETF(Nov. 1992) Murai
7. Next Meetings
APCCIRN 31 May(before UNESCO) and/or 20-21 August(after INET)
PNC 14-15 Jan. 1993(Honolulu)
CCIRN 18-19 Feb. 1993(Brussels), 23-24 Aug. 1993(SF)
RINSEAP March 1993(Australia)
IETF March 24-April 2(Columbus), 12-16 July(Amsterdam), Nov.
UNESCO 1-3 June 1993(Seoul)
INET 17-20 Aug. 1993(SF)
APPENDIX B: APCCIRN's Position Statement on IEPG
APCCIRN-022
1993.1.13
APCCIRN
The APCCIRN is of the view that the engineering and planning activities
should encompass broad Internet infrastructure issues. It is suggested
to the CCIRN that it should endorse the proposal that the IEPG should include
membership from the commercial provider sector as well as research network
operators.
The APCCIRN has also considered the merits of forming an Internet Operations
Task Force under the auspices of the Internet Society to further develop
proper focus on Internet-wide operational matters, and is of the view that
this activity should be strongly supported by the CCIRN.
APPENDIX C: APNIC Experiment Proposal
APCCIRN-020
1993.01.13
A Proposal for APNIC experiments
January 13, 1993
Jun Murai (WIDE Project/JNIC),
Masaki Hirabaru (WIDE Project/JNIC)
PURPOSE
This experiments is to investigate how APNIC (Asia and Pacific regional
Network Information Center) should be formed and how it can be operated.
TIMEFRAME
January 15, 1993 - January 1994
ITEMS
B: Guideline for establishment of Country NICs
A: APNIC database format
A: APNIC transactions
A: APNIC-CountryNICs transactions
A: APNIC-InternetNIC transactions
B: APNIC-NCC transactions
B: Services to access the database
B: Information archiving
B: Routing preference issues
B: Organizational issues
MEMBERS
Anybody including jp, au, kr, nz.
TESTING MACHINE
nic.ad.jp (so far)
MAILING LIST
apnic-coop@nic.ad.jp
apnic-coop-request@nic.ad.jp
SCHEDULE
Priority A: by Summer 1993
Priority B: by Jan 1994
From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Apr 30 11:47:40 1993
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more discussion on meetings as we settled on the next APCCIRN meeting during
INET'93.
1. CCIRN Meeting Participation
the next CCIRN meeting will be held in 8.23-25 jointly with IEPG near San
Francisco(Bodega Bay). we can send up to seven delegates from APCCIRN.
let me know if you would like to attend.
2. APCCIRN Meeting in December 1993 - March 1994
i am considering the meeting in Taipei before or after JWCC(Joint Workshop on
Computer Communications)-Dec.12-14. we are also considering special sessions
related to APCCIRN during JWCC. the candidate sessions are
Internationalization/Localization
Overview(ISOC, CCIRN, Regional Projects,..)
Internet(NIC, GIX, Remote Conferencing,...)
Case Studies(national net, campus net)
Commercial Operations
since the deadline for the JWCC paper submission is 1993.6.30, i would like to
decide if we hold the APCCIRN Meeting in Taipei in December after the APCCIRN
meeting in San Francisco in August within a week or two.
please let me know on your comments on the above appointments.
kilnam chon
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the meeting is reduced to 2 days; 23 and 24 of August. this is the joint
meeting with IEPG. let me know if you want to participate the CCIRN meeting
at the Bodega Bay.
kilnam chon
PS: Sea Cliff C of Hyatt Regency was reserved for Friday afternoon(20) and
Saturday morning(21) for APCCIRN Meeting.
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Subject: please review apnic-member list
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 15:32:16 +0900
From: Masaya NAKAYAMA <nakayama@nic.ad.jp>
Dear APCCIRN members,
Please review attached apnic-member@apnic.net list. This list is for APNIC
pilot project members. The list is based on APCCIRN country file and the NIC
list made at the last APCCIRN meeting. Basic rule is one person for each
countries and international networks.
If you think some modifications are necessary, please send your comments to
apnic-staff@apnic.net till September 11.
--
Masaya Nakayama, JPNIC & APNIC pilot project staff
==============================================================================
PS. apnic-member@apnic.net list (draft)
G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au (Australia, AARNet, Geoff Houston),
qianhl%bepc2@scs.slac.stanford.edu (China, Academia Sinica, Qian Hualin),
cclaw@usthk.ust.hk (Hong Kong, HARNET, Lawrence H.Y Law),
ramki@ern.doe.ernet.in (India, ERNET, S. Ramakrishnan),
nakayama@nic.ad.jp (Japan, JPNIC, Masaya Nakayama),
taeha@nic.nm.kr (Korea, KRNIC, Taeha Park),
rafee@jaring.ism.my (Malaysia, JARING , M. Rafee Yusoff),
J.Houlker@waikato.ac.nz (New Zealand, NZREIN, John Houlker),
milton@solomon.technet.sg (Singapore, Technet, Milton Choo),
gihan@cse.mrt.ac.lk (Sri Lanka, University of Moratuwa, Gihan Dias),
wschen@twnmoe10.bitnet (Taiwan, TANET, Wen-sung Chen),
kk@cs.ait.ac.th (Thailand, AIT, Kanchana Kanchanasut),
narayan@sut.ac.jp (CAREN, Devendra Narayan),
chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon),
jun@wide.ad.jp (APEPG Chair, Jun Murai)
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