APCCIRN-035

APCCIRN-035

APCCIRN Meeting Minutes 1993.9.8

1993.8.20-21

San Francisco

FORMAL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN FOLLOWING THE MEETING

APNIC Pilot Project takes place between September 1993 and June 1994. The

project is coordinated by Nakayama.

John Houlker coordinates commercial and general service providers in

Asia-Pacific.

* Agenda Item 1 Welcome/Approval of Agenda

APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon opened the meeting at 13:30 with introduction of

participants and a review of the agenda. See Appendix for the participant

list.

* Agenda Item 5 Commercial/General Service Operations

Commercial and general service providers in USA gave overview presentations as

follows;

CIX by Bill Washburn

ANS by Guy Almes

Sprint by Farooq Hussain

Global Enterprise Service(JvNCnet) by Sergio Heker

Presentation materials are provided by CIX, ANS, and Sprint. We could not see

presentations from other relevant US service providers such as Cerfnet and

Alternet.

The following commercial and general service providers in Asia-Pacific gave

brief presentation as they are expected to give full presentation at the next

APCCIRN meeting in Taipei;

IIJ, Japan

ATT Jens, Japan

Dacom, Korea

Supernet, Hong Kong

Technet, Singapore

Cooperation and collaboration among the commercial and general service providers

in Asia and Pacific were discussed next. It was agreed that we need clearing

house for them, and the following collaboration needs to be discussed;

Within Asia and Pacific

Commercial/General Service Providers and R&E Service Providers

Between Asia-Pacific and Other Continents

The next meeting provides the forum to have presentations from the providers in

Asia and Pacific, and further issues shall be discussed. J. Houlker

volunteered to coordinate on this matter.

Kilnam Chon summarized the impact on the AP region of the earlier presentations

regarding the US transition. Things will be uncertain for awhile. There are

two real problems for the region: transit traffic and AUP. Further discussion

indicated that it is unclear what will be the impacts of the changes on NSFnet.

NASA is currently examining its policies on international links and the use of

"fat pipes" which can be multiplexed and shared with other agencies. A question

was raised as to whether the Japanese Real World Computing (RWC) link across the

U.S. could be used for international transit traffic. It was noted that there

are both technical and policy issues to be considered and that at this time RWC

has not made any decisions on this.

* Agenda Item 7f Project Report

Curtis Hardyck gave a brief report on the Pacific Neighborhood Consortium and

its activities. The next meeting will be in Hong Kong in January 1994.

* Agenda Item 2 Minutes Honolulu Meeting

The previous minutes were reviewed. These are available on-line through the

APCCIRN server.

* Agenda Item 3 Past Meeting Report

a) Kilnam Chon reviewed the activities of the CCIRN. Up to seven delegates from

each of the three regions can participate in the bi-annual meetings. There are

generally opportunities for additional participation from the region and

interested parties should contact the APCCIRN chair. Minutes are on-line

through the APCCIRN server.

b) Geoff Huston reviewed the activities of the IEPG. It has been largely

focusing on issues relating to scaling of the Internet. This includes the GIX,

routing registries and issues surrounding quality of service. Minutes are

on-line through the APCCIRN server.

c) Haruhisa Ishida reviewed the activities of the ISOC Board of Trustees (BOT).

More membership, especially corporate membership, from the region is needed.

The high individual membership fees were noted as a barrier to membership in the

region. There was interest in national or regional chapters in the AP area, but

the BOT has not yet established formal structures and procedures for chapters.

APCCIRN supports the BOT in moving forward with this.

Jun Murai reviewed the IAB and IETF and their activities including liaison to

international standards bodies such as ISO and ITU, work in IP scaling and

address space problems, security, copyright, CIDR and IP-Next Generation. Much

more participation from the region is urged, including electronically via the

mailing lists. IETF will meet in the AP region once every other year.

* Agenda Item 4 APCCIRN Document Update

Kilnam Chon reminded members that many documents and databases are available

through the APCCIRN servers. All members should provide up-to-date information

about all links, projects and contacts in their countries so that the databases

remain current and accurate.

* Agenda Item 6 Work Items

General discussion of work items took place in preparation for the next day's

working session. Key items were identified to be: APNIC, Developing Countries

and Internationalization/Localization. Others items were considered to be

background, monitoring and liaison activities at this time. More participants

from all countries are needed for all work items and signups were solicited.

Internationalization/Localization

All countries using non-English characters are especially urged to get involved

in this project. Jun Murai briefly presented their work on a multi-lingual

version of Emacs, MULE, which presents interfaces to most major applications.

An RFC has been submitted on their method of coding. He urged APCCIRN members

to experiment with this working software which already handles most languages in

the region using existing international standards. Discussion brought out the

variety of language coding standards. At the next APCCIRN meeting a long

session will be dedicated to making progress on this work item, with

presentations on each language followed by a general panel discussion.

Conference

All countries with national networking conferences are urged to send this

information to the APCCIRN secretariat. There was some consideration of how to

best expand this activity to serve developing countries, perhaps through a new

regional networking conference. Meeting participants reviewed various national

networking and other conferences. These include: Australia's AARNET meeting;

Korea's joint networking meeting, KRNET, which tries to serve both academics and

practitioners; Singapore's networking tutorial and workshop; Thailand is

thinking of a national networking seminar; and the Joint Workshop on Computing

and Communication (JWCC), an annual regional conference which started in 1986.

All meetings are experiencing exceptional growth and demand. Discussion took

place as to the best timing for APCCIRN meetings and related seminars which

might support developing countries, including the possibility of various

appropriate meetings with which to colocate. There was also some discussion of

establishing a new regional Internet-related meeting.

Developing Countries

More work is needed to bring developing countries on-line to the network. Other

international organizations are working in Latin America and Africa. The Middle

East is largely ignored. A project in the AP region is needed to help also. It

was also noted that only 12 of the 126 invitees to the INET '93 developing

countries workshop were from the AP region, and that this should be increased.

Australia has been active in supporting networking in developing countries in

the region. Something like the Africa project, RINAF, with support from the UN

and some developed countries, might be desirable. Discussion of possible

funding sources took place and will continue in the future.

The University of Sydney is willing to accept UUCP connections from any

developing country at no charge (other than the cost of the call to Sydney) and

provide access to the Internet. Sites with Unix machines can get improved

software to operate over dialup links for these connections. Also PEACESAT can

now provide the Pacific Basin with dialup access to the Internet via 9600bps

point-to-point satellite connections to the University of Hawaii.

APNIC

Jun Murai reviewed the development of the NIC movement from a single network

information center in the U.S. to regional/national NICs, primarily to handle

allocation of IP addresses. The international authority now lies with IANA,

under the auspices of ISOC. The vision now is for an global NIC with regional

authority delegated to regional NICs, such as InterNIC in the Americas and RIPE

NCC in Europe. More information on past APCCIRN discussions is in the past

minutes on the server. A decision on how to move forward is required at the

next APCCIRN meeting.

Status reports from the KRNIC and JPNIC national NIC projects were presented.

Then, Jun Murai proposed changes in the pilot project on AP Network Information

Center (APNIC), which was approved at the last meeting . The project period is

changed to September 1993 - June 1994. The most important function would

be handling block allocation of addresses in the region. This might help if and

when CIDR technology is deployed, in order to help routing in Asia and the

Pacific. It was recommended that members from each country participate in the

APNIC Pilot Project. If approved by the APCCIRN, this pilot project would help

determine how to meet the needs in the region over the long-term. During the

pilot phase, prime focus would be on the Internet Registry and Routing Registry

functions. Limited attention would be given to informational functions until

after a decision on a long-term approach for the region. JPNIC has agreed to

provide resources for the pilot project.

Some of the issues to be studied during the pilot include: how to allocate

address space, how to work with international networks, how to identify and work

with country contacts, etc. During discussion it was decided that APCCIRN would

serve as a de facto Board during the pilot, that the pilot should run through

June 1994 in order to provide time for a transition from the pilot to an

operational APNIC. A group will be formed to develop proposals for funding the

APNIC over the long term after the pilot.

* Agenda Item 7 Meetings/Project Report

The next APCCIRN meeting will address commercial operation, the APNIC,

Internationalization/Localization, and link/transit traffic issues. Possible

meetings around which APCCIRN could be colocated are: JWCC in Taiwan in

December, an AIT networking meeting in Bangkok in January, PNC in Hong Kong in

January, or the CCIRN meeting which will be in Asia in January. Several members

proposed that meeting just before JWCC in Taipei on December 10-11 would be

desirable. The next meeting after that will be colocated around INET '94 in

Prague, tentatively June 17-18.

Other future networking meetings were discussed. The following is the current

schedule;

1993.11.1-5 IETF Houston

12.10-11 APCCIRN Taiwan

12.12-14 JWCC Taiwan

1994. 1.17-18 PNC Hong Kong

3. IEPG/IETF Seattle

6.13-17 INET Prague, Czech

6.17-18 APCCIRN Prague, Czech

6.20-21 CCIRN (Europe)

7. IETF Toronto

In addition, Interop will be held as follows;

1993.10.25-29 Paris

1994. 5.2-6 Las Vegas

6.6-10 Berlin

7.25-29 Tokyo

9. Atlanta

10.24-28 Paris

APPENDIX: APCCIRN Meeting Participants 1993.9.1

Robin Erskine Australia Australian National University

Geoff Huston Australia AARNET

Bob Kummerfeld Australia University of Sydney

Yinglin Ma China Chinese Academy of Sciences

Hualin Qian China Chinese Academy of Sciences

Yuhany Zhang China Chinese Academy of Sciences

Che-Hoo Cheng Hong Kong The Chinese University of Hong Kong

Bob Coggershall Hong Kong Supernet

Kin-Ming Fung Hong Kong The Chinese University of Hong Kong

R. Santoso Indonesia BPP Teknologi

Akiko Aizawa Japan NACSIS

Shoichiro Asano Japan NACSIS

David Conrad Japan IIJ

H. Fukubeppu Japan CAREN

Shigeki Goto Japan

Masaki Hirabaru Japan Kyushu University

Haruhisa Ishida Japan University of Tokyo

T. Kumazawa Japan CAREN

Jun Matsukata Japan ISAS

Toshifumi Matsumoto Japan AT&T Jens/Spin Project

Takayasu Matsuzaki Japan IBM Japan

Mizuho Mori Japan BITNETJP/JOIN

Masaya Nakayama Japan University of Tokyo / JPNIC

Devendra Narayan Japan CAREN

Okwhan Byun Korea KREONet / SERI

Kilnam Chon Korea Academic Network Council

Sunyoung Han Korea Konkuk University

John Houlker New Zealand NZREIN

S. Rizvi Pakistan

MunHow Chew Singapore National Science and Technology

Milton Choo Singapore National University of Singapore

Mun-Hou Choo Singapore NSTB

Abhaya Induruwa Sri Lanka University of Moratuwa

Chien-Liu Chen Taiwan Institute for Information Industry

Wen-Sung Chen Taiwan Ministry of Education

Albert Liou Taiwan Institute for Information Industry

Li-Ming Tseng Taiwan National Centeral University

Tanongkiete Auponno Thailand Chiangmai University

M. Chiwaganont Thailand

Prachak Poomvises Thailand Chulalongkorn University

Kamales Santivejkul Thailand Chulalongkorn University

Guy Almes USA ANS

Robert Collet USA Sprint

Curtis Hardyck USA Pacific Neighborhood Consortium

Sergio Heker USA Global Enterprise Services Inc.

David Lassner USA University of Hawaii / PACCOM

Rozanne Streeter USA NASA

Bill Washburn USA CIX

Ken Adler USA/HK Penril Datability Inc.

Farooq Hussain USA/UK Sprint