APCCIRN-041

ANC-93-118

APCCIRN-041

1993.12.13

Taeha Park

Subject: APCCIRN/APEPG Meeting Minutes (1993.12.10-11, Taipei)

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0. Overview

APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon opened the meeting with the introduction

of the participants and review of the agenda [apccirn-036]. Minutes of

San Francisco APCCIRN meeting [apccirn-035], CCIRN meeting [apccirn-038], and

IEPG Meeting[apccirn-040] were reviewed.

Most agenda items were discussed in December 10 and concluded in December 11.

This minutes is recorded by work items.

1. APNIC

David Conrad reported APNIC midterm status [apnic-006].

A working definition for "Asia-Pacific" was discussed, and we agreed on the

following. The eastern boundary of AP is obvious, and the western boundary of

AP is Central Asia and Middle East. We agreed that the countries in RINSCA of

UNESCO/IIP Program are included in AP. If a country in the AP region wants to

change her membership between Asia-Pacific and Europe by some reason, she can

choose to do so.

The project team proposed that the APNIC pilot project will be done as a

distributed operation, separating its major functions into

registration/directory/database services and information services [apnic-007].

The motivation for this separation is two-fold: to alleviate funding problem

and promote collaboration of the NIC community in the AP region.

In June 1994, it is expected that the APNIC pilot project will generate

"criteria document" on the working experience of regional NIC's distributed

operation, describing how the task can be separated and how the interface

of subfunctions can be defined.

Information services will try to organize general information by providing

"national entry point" for various information servers as well as traditional

information service like resource guide, network map, statistics, etc.

[Action Item]

APCCIRN agreed that APNIC pilot project team proceed with distributed

operations, and delegate 202 and 203 class C blocks from InterNIC for

the "superblock" allocation for CIDR'ization.

2. Internationalization/Localization

The following presentations were given:

Chinese (C.L. Chen)

Japanese (M. Ohta and N. Shigechika)

Korean (U.H. Choi)

Thai (Paper Presentation)

The mail encoding in PC-LAN differ from the Internet encoding scheme.

PC software vendors such as Microsoft, Lotus, Borland, and Novell need to be

invited to discuss mail exchanges between PC networks and the Internet in

local language. The meeting may be held at Interop Tokyo in July 1994 and/or

at IETF in March 1994.

[Action Item]

This group will generate an survey/report as a FYI/RFC document for

specific cases in AP region as well as developing softwares.

CAREN will cooperate with the group.

3. Commercial/General Service Providers

Following presentations were given:

HK Supernet (Hong Kong) by B. Coggeshall

ATT Jens (Japan) by T. Matsumoto

IIJ (Japan) by T. Asaba

Sprint (USA) by J. Sergio

ANS (USA) by G. Almes' paper submission (APCCIRN-039)

The question given is what shall APCCIRN coordinate for commercial service

providers. Bob Coggeshall pointed out that simply providing information on

what's going on in the AP region is important. APCCIRN is needed as a meeting

point in this area.

[Action Item]

(1) APCCIRN continues to include commercial service providers as its

members.

The role of APCCIRN is coordination and providing information.

(2) In 1994, by survey of service providers and government regulations,

a working model for AP region will be proposed. This model can be

used as a recommendation to governments in the AP region.

(3) B. Coggeshall was elected as a coordinator of this group.

4. GIX and Link Coordination

NSF will not permit transit traffic over NSFNET from the spring of 1994. Some

coordination is necessary between Asia-Pacific and other continents, in

particular Europe. Two approaches are possible - direct link to

Europe and connection to the GIX. GIX is basically for North America and

Europe. Another GIX somewhere in the Pacific needs to be discussed.

Currently there are three or more links to Europe:

(1) RWCnet: currently this is regarded as a private network

(2) KREONet-EC: first public link to Europe.

In 1994, this link will allow Korea-EC traffic only for

technical reasons. The link might be used for Asia-EC

connection after the test period.

(3) SINET/NACSIS: will pay for a T1 link between east and west coast

in the US in addition to the T1/E1 link to USA next spring.

Additionally, NACSIS has the link to UK for library access.

(4) India(TIFS-CERN) and China have links to Europe but these are

private links.

[Action Item]

Proposal of SIGLINK on link coordination was proposed and accepted.

The purpose of this group is to find efficient designs for AP international

connections. Jun Murai will coordinate this group. APEPG members are

encouraged to participate to the group. Tasks of this group include

(1) work as a part of Distributed GIX group

(2) work with NAP solutions

(3) study on CIX related issues

(4) work with common carriers:

- cable and satellite plan

- cost structure for AP countries

A draft proposal on "guideline for connection plan for AP countries" will be

generated by June 1994.

This group will continue to work in in both ways - NAP solution and

Distributed GIX. As for Distributed GIX, Guam can be one solution.

From Pacific countries, connection to Hawaii is 30% cheaper than to US west

coast. AP community need to communicate each other and send a representative

to IEPG.

5. Developing Countries

D. Narayan will join ap-develop and coordinate on Developing Countries(SIGDEV).

The purpose of SIGDEV is to coordinate efforts in assisting developing

countries for establishing connectivity. Missions include

- collect information on technical and financial resources that are

available for network development

- provide a clearing house for above information

- develop a strategic plan for providing technical assistance to

developer's countries

6. Country/Network/Project Reports

Brief status report of the following were given. Missing information will be

included in the country file.

TANET (Cheng Kiang Farn)

TANET upgraded its link to JvNCnet to 256Kbps in December 1992.

SEEDNET (Chein-Lin Chen)

SEEDNET is connected to TANET via ethernet, but packets are filtered,

enabling email be exchanged outside world only.

SINET (Shoichiro Asano)

SINET has a plan to upgrade its international link to

T1/E1 after April 1994. SINET will pay for T1 between the East and West

coasts

of the US. Non-commercial traffic in the AP region

will be allowed to go through this line. SINET may have a connection

to Mongolia in future.

JPNIC (Masaya Nakayama)

JPNIC has a plan to start geographic domain names.

WIDE (Suguru Yamaguchi)

WIDE is deploying OSPF2 for its backbone routing. Future efforts will

will be focused on IPng, IETF related experiments, mobile computing,

interoperability design with non internet protocols, and very high

speed networking.

CAREN (Devendra Narayan)

The Consortium of Asian Research and Educational Networks held

its third annual meeting in Taipei on the 9th. Dec. 1993. The link

between Seoul National University in Korea and the Science University

of Tokyo in Japan, has been upgraded to a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link from

Dec. 1st. 1993. Furthermore, a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link is planned between

the Beijing Institute of Chemical Technology, China and the Science

University of Tokyo in Japan. This link is likely to be in operation

by July, 1994. All the CAREN members (Japan, Korea and Taiwan) agreed

on the following long-term goals for CAREN :

(1) Promote research and educational networking within the Asian

countries. CAREN will try to provide technical and logistic

assistance to countries trying to set up new academic networks.

(2) Co-ordinate efforts in localization of networking tools and

other software and act as a clearing-house for information

from this region.

(3) CAREN would like to co-operate with APCCIRN so that unnecessary

duplicity of efforts can be avoided.

(4) CAREN will encourage and promote intra-Asian network links and also

promote future collaboration with European networking organizations.

Korea (Kilnam Chon)

Korea had a successful conference, KRNET in July 1993. The national

program for high-speed networking is being planned for implementation

starting in 1994.

IBM Japan (Takayasu Matsuzaki)

IBM Network Services Asia Pacific Headquarter will have a business

partnership with Advantis (headquarter in Tampa, Florida).

The services will start next year, including EDI and X.25 services

in AP region.

PACCOM(H. Ishida, D. Conrad)

TISN and New Zealand are upgrading links.

PNC (Kilnam Chon)

PNC had its first meeting in Honolulu in Jan. 1993, and will have the

second meeting in Hong Kong in 1994.1.17-18.

7. Organizational Issues (coordinator: K. Chon)

- Reorganization Plan

The current "APCCIRN/APEPG" is holding many roles for the AP region.

It interfaces with CCIRN, IEPG, NIC, ISOC, and the commercial world.

Funding in the range of 0.25 million and 0.5 million is necessary for APCCIRN/

APEPG activities including supports for APNIC

developing countries, and APCCIRN/APEPG Secretariat.

[Action Item]

APCCIRN will proceed for reorganization targeted for the summer 1994.

Membership charge will be done by countries but also by service

providers as appropriate.

New names are discussed. Candidates like APNCC, APCEN, APSIN, APNB,

CIAP, and ICAP were proposed.

Naming will be discussed at the next meeting time.

8. Asia-Europe Coordination

There are many issues to be discussed between Asia and Europe, and we never

had any bi-lateral discussion between them. The following meeting was proposed.

[Action Item]

The joint meeting between Asia-Pacific and Europe with a small number of people

(3-5 persons from each community) during INET94 in Prague was proposed with

the meeting agenda including the following issues.

(1) Asia-EC direct link

(2) distributed GIX

(3) internationalization of the Internet

9. Related Meetings

INET'95 may be held in Singapore in June.

IETF of March 1995 will be held in Japan. This IETF meeting is the first one to

be held in Asia-Pacific, and active participation in the AP region is

expected. APCCIRN/APEPG welcomes IETF to be held in Asia Pacific, and APCCIRN/

APEPG recommends that IETF to be held in Japan, being organized by Jun Murai.

10. NetWorld+Interop94 Tokyo (1994.7.25-29)

- Overview

Toru Takahashi presented an overview of Interop Tokyo. This is a first

interoperability event in Asia, and will include tutorials, conferences,

and exhibitions. Interopnet will be operated as a shownet.

- Invitation Program

Invitation from AP countries will be done, primarily for persons from

non-profit organizations. About 10-20 persons will be invited.

Kilnam Chon proposed to support one person from each AP country since

the experience at Interop will be helpful for promotion of networking in the

AP countries. Please apply for the invitation by March 1994.

Two classes of support are possible: registration exemption and further

subsidiary. People from NICS will get registration exemption.

Further subsidiary might be needed for developing countries.

- Volunteer Program

This program is for running the big shownet. Housing, meal, air fare will

be provided to the volunteers. Labor fee will not be paid. 35 persons

are necessary in total, and 5-10 volunteers will be from Asia-Pacific.

The application for the volunteer program should be done by Feb. 1994.

- Session

There's a session of "Developing the Internet in Asia" chaired by Kilnam Chon.

Possible subjects are APNIC, low cost connectivity options, local language

support, link coordination/operation and so on.

11. Areas of work

Areas of Work[apccirn-027] is modified to reflect the discussion during the

meeting. See Appendix 3 for the revision.

12. Next Meeting

Next APCCIRN meeting will be held in 1994.6.17-18, right after the

INET'94 in Prague.

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Appendix 1: Participant List

Hong Kong B. Coggeshall (HK Supernet)

V. Shen (HKUST)

Japan H. Ishida (JCRN)

J. Murai (WIDE)

S. Yamaguchi (WIDE)

M. Hirabaru (JPNIC)

M. Nakayama (JPNIC)

S. Goto (JPNIC)

T. Takahashi (Interop Japan)

S. Asano (NACSIS)

A. Aizawa (NACSIS)

W. Zhao (NACSIS)

M. Ohta (Titech)

T. Matsumoto (ATT Jens)

J. Matsukata (SINET)

M. Takayasu (IBM Japan)

T. Asaba (IIJ)

D. Conrad (IIJ)

D. Narayan (CAREN)

M. Mori (JOIN)

N. Shigechika (WIDE)

Korea K. Chon (ANC)

K.S. Yoon (SERI)

U.H. Choi (KRNIC)

T.H. Park (KRNIC)

H.Y. Yeom (SNU)

Taiwan L.M. Tseng NCU (National Central University)

C.K. Farn NCU (National Central University)

H.C. Chen CCU (National Chung-Cheng University)

D.T. Liu NCTU (National Chiao-Tung University)

Y.C. Chen Data Communicatons Institute MOTC

S.Y. Chen Data Communicatons Institute MOTC

F.K. Chung Data Communicatons Institute MOTC

W.C. Chang III (Institute for Information Industry)

C.L. Chen III (Institute for Information Industry)

P.H. Liu III (Institute for Information Industry)

K.C. Hsu III (Institute for Information Industry)

F. Chien Vanguard Information Group

T.K. Chan ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute)

Bao-Shuh Lin ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute)

W.S. Chen MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center)

J.H. Liu MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center)

C.H. Yin MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center)

USA J. Savageau (Sprint)

Appendix 2: Documents Distributed at Taipei Meeting

NEWWORLD+INTEROP94 Tokyo (Brochure)

AT&T Jens (TP, Brochure)

Hong Kong SuperNet (TP, Brochure)

TANet (Brochure)

R.D. Collet, SprintLink - Internet International Connections Management

Current Status and 1994 Plans (TP)

M. Ohta, ISO-2022-JP-2: Multilingual Extension of ISO-2022-JP, Nov.1993.

C.L. Chen, SEEDNET and Chinese Localization (TP)

Appendix 3: Revised Area of Work(APCCIRN-027)

1. Organization Issues(apccirn-all@nic.nm.kr)

K. Chon(Coordinator)

2. Network Information Center(apnic-all@apnic.net)

APNIC Staffs

3. Internationalization/Localization(ap-i18n@nic.nm.kr)

M. Ohta(Coordinator)

4. Link Coordination(ap-link@nic.nm.kr)

J. Murai(coordinator)

5. Developing Countries(ap-develop@caren.net)

D. Narayan(Coordinator)

6. Commercial/General Service Providers(ap-commercial@nic.nm.kr)

B. Coggeshall(Coordinator)