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APNG-047
1994.6.20
Jin Ho Hur
Subject: Minutes of APCCIRN/APEPG Meeting (1994.6.17-18)
Time: 1994.6.17 (14:00-18:00) & 1994.6.18 (9:00-13:00)
Venue: Hotel Forum, Prague, Czech Republic
1. Opening
The meeting is convened at 14:00 at Hotel Forum. The list of participants
is in Appendix A.
The agenda (APCCIRN-045) was approved as presented. Prof K.Chon followed by
a brief introduction to the APCCIRM/APEPG meeting for new participants.
The minutes of last Taipei meeting (APCCIRN-041) was reported by K.Chon,
and was approved as presented.
2. Meeting/Projects/Country Reports
(1) INET'95
Lim Say Beng of Singapore briefly reported on the plan for INET '95 to
be held in Singapore in 1995. The structure of INET conference is as
follows:
6. 7 - 11: Workshop for Developing Countries
6.12 - 13: INET'95 tutorial
6.14 - 16: INET'95 conference
6.14 - 16: Demonstration
6.14 - 16: Technology Showcase
He expects about 1,500 participants for the conference. For further
information on the conference, contact:
inet-info@icis.gov.sg for general information
inet-register@icis.gov.sg for registration
There followed some comments regarding to INET'95: APCCIRN/APEPG
members are supposed to be the contact point for each country to promote
from the standpoint of APCCIRN/APEPG group. There need to be some
discussion to promote the participation from the AP region including
(partial) supports for travel, accomodation, and registration fee.
APCCIRN/APEPG group will discuss on this matter in next meeting in more
detail.
(2) Pacific Neighborhood Consortium (PNC)
Curtis Hardyck presented the current status of PNC. PNC is to share
resources among AP countries in order to building virtual neighborhood
based on the communication technologies. The first meeting was held in
Honololu in Jan. 1992, the second meeting was held in Hong Kong in Jan.
1994. In the future, it will develop a regional distributed server network
for information services like WWW, Mosaic. In order to do that, PNC is
currently focusing on i) Workshop for policy discussions, ii) regional
resource library system, iii) building electronic musuem. The next PNC
meeting will be held in Bangkok for three days in January 1995, and
about 60 to 80 people are expected. For further information, contact:
pnc@violet.berkeley.edu.
(3) CAREN
Narayan reported on the current status of CAREN, particularly the link
status and their funding model.
(4) Japan-China Links
Prof. Murai reported on the status of three links from China to Internet:
CAREN, HEPNET-J, and Sprintnet. There arose necessity for the Autonomous
System Number (AS#) allocation for each network in China, support for BGP
routing, and the passing-through of intra-China traffic through Japan.
(5) SINET
Prof. Asano of NACSIS reported on the SINET's plan to upgrade the
backbone links from 512Kbps to 6Mbps which will be made by Sept. 1994.
Further upgrade to 50Mbps links will be made in the summer of 1995.
For further information on SINET, please contact ss@sinet.ad.jp.
(6) Real World Computing Network
Minonu Yokotsuka of RWCP reported on the status of RWCN.
(7) India
Suchit Nanda and Dr. Ramakrishnam reported on the status of India.
Noted is the meeting of Non-government Organizations (NGOs) funded by
UNDP to be held on 20-30 Sept. 1994. It will discuss on the policy,
training, and low-cost networking solutions for NGOs. For further
information, contact Suchit Nanda at suchit@shakti.ncst.ernet.in.
(8) Malaysia
Samsidarwati Mohd Isa of MIMOS reported on the status of Malaysian
network supported by MIMOS. The network currently support commercial
traffic in addition to reseach and educational traffic. The backbone
link to the US will be updated from 64K to 128K around the end of 1994.
(9) Sri Lanka
According to the report of Gihan Dias, there is UUCP connection
in Sri Lanka. They are planning an international 64K links, and are
currently waiting for funding from the US.
(10) Indonesia
The Indonesian network was reported. Setting up the National Backbone is
now going on to be finished in a few months.
There was reported a new link between Indonesia and Japan, and there
arose an interest in the triangular links among Indonesia, Japan, and
the US.
(11) Taiwan
Chen Wen-Sung of Ministry of Education of Taiwan reported on the status
of TANet, HiNet, and SeedNet in Taiwan. Of particular interest was HiNet,
a commercial service by Data Communication Institute, a government-run
organization.
(12) Philippine
Rosario Carlos of Philippine Network Foundation reported on the PHNET
supported by the Dept. of Science and Technology of Philippine
Government. The 64K Internet connection to Stockton is made as Phase II
Plan. Further upgrade will be made under the Phase III project.
For more information, contact her at rrc@pfi.net.
3. Working Group Report
(1) Developing Country (Narayan)
Narayan reported on the WG activities in two subgroup: technical
assistance group and material assistance group. There were comments on
similar activities being made in other group including: (a) APNIC for
country NIC setup, (b) Workshop for Developing Countries (Contact: George
Sadowski), (c) JICA, and (d) 5 - 6 groups doing similar things.
[Action Item]
Suchit Nanda is requested to collect and compile the related
information and send it to Narayan.
After further discussions in both the plenary and a separate WG meeting,
the following action items are to be taken:
[Action Item]
(a) Narayan will form a mailing list for providing technical
assistance.
(b) Suchit Nanda will prepare a document "Low-cost Networking
Solutions".
(c) Ramakrishnam will prepare a document "Satellite Techniques for
Networking".
(d) Narayan will create a centralized information server for supporting
developing countries at his site.
(e) Narayan will create a database of equipments available for
donnation. Inputs from members of this group strongly solicited.
(2) Link Coordination
There was a report by Jun Murai on activities related to D-GIX, NAP,
and common rack space for router/bridges in AP region. There arose some
question on the necessity of the rack space.
For these activities, just a status report will be made to CCIRN
meeting, and will discuss further on a APCCIRN/APEPG position statement
in the next APCCIRN/APEPG meeting.
(3) Internationalization
M. Ohta reported on the activities in preparing appropriate Internet
Drafts for multilingual text encoding, which were forwarded to
IETF/IESG. He also reported on a new Internet Draft being prepared on
"Multilingual Internet" and "Context Language vs. Script Language".
The proposal to IESG for setting up an IETF WG on Internationalization
is now forwarded to IAB for the IAB position so that IESG may take
further actions.
There was a report that WIDE is now developing internationalized version
of Mosaic.
(4) Workshop
There will be workshop before/after each APCCIRN meeting for education
and information dissemination purpose.
[Action Item]
Prior to the next APCCIRN/APEPG meeting in Beijing in Nov. 28-29,
there will be two day workshop in Nov. 26-27: the first day for
engineering aspect and the second day for user aspect.
[Resolution]
The Working Group is formed with the following members: Prof. Ishida
(WG Chair, U. of Tokyo), Prof. Qian (Academia Sinica), D. Conrad
(APNIC), Narayan (SUT), Ramakrishnan (DOE/India).
The coordination with the Internet Society's "Workshop for Developing
Countries" will be made, and the WG will decide the detailed plan for
the coordination.
[Action Item]
Curtis Hardyck will consider to have a one day workshop before the
Pacific Neighborhood Consortium meeting in Bangkok in January 1995.
(5) K-12 Education
There was some discussion on the necessity for the coordination of K-12
education-related activities among the member countries.
[Resolution]
This group will remain as an interest group, and will be decided
whether it will become a WG in next meeting.
[Action Item]
D. Conrad will set up a mailing list for this group and will start the
discussion on the mailing list.
For your information, there is a K-12 Workshop as a part of INET'95 from
Sunday through Tuesday. For further information, please contact
inet-k12@isoc.org.
(6) Others
The Organization WG will be reactivated with the Chair, Prof. Chon.
The Commercial Operation WG was reported by Coggeshall of HK through a
report sent through fax.
There was some discussion on the WG for "APII" (Asia-Pacific Information
Infrasturcture), but it was considered too early to form a WG. So further
discussion will be made in this group on this matter. The tentative
members of the group are: Asano, Chon, and Matsuzaki.
[Action Item]
For each WG, a mailing list will be restructured.
(7) Summary
The following is the structure of WGs and the relevant chairs and
mailing list.
WG Name Chair Mailing list
======= ===== ============
Developing Countries Dr. Narayan apng-develop
Commercial Operations Coggeshall apng-commercial
Link Coordination Prof. Murai apng-link
Internationalization/Localization Dr. Ohta apng-i18n
Workshop/Seminar Prof. Ishida apng-workshop
Organization Prof. Chon apng-organization
4. APNIC Experiment Report
D. Conrad reported on the APNIC experiment. The experiment has been finished
successfully. The APNIC is now being operated with the responsibilities
distributed as follows in addition to registration in JPNIC: whois (JP),
WWW (KR), DN (AU), Gopher (TW), X.500 (JP) and FTP (JP). There are
unresolved issed yet: Guidelines for establishing national NIC, further
service delegation, and funding. The annual budget for APNIC is about
US$300,000 and JPNIC is subsidizing 10% of it budget for APNIC operation.
The final report of the APNIC experiment will be made to APCCIRN by 30 June.
He further proposed for a new "APNIC Interim Project" as a continuation
of the Pilot Project. The Interim Project will go on with the current
funding from JPNIC. Further funding issue for APNIC will be discussed
with no immediate resolution at this moment.
[Resolution]
There will be liaisons between APNIC and APCCIRN/APEPG group.
Dr. Goto will be the interim liaison to APNIC until next meeting.
D. Conrad will be the interim liaison from APNIC until next meeting.
5. Reorganization
According to the changes in the environment of this group, there arose
the issue of the reorganization of APCCIRN/APEPG, which has been the
discussion for some time in the mailing list as well as at the last Taipei
APCCIRN/APEPG meeting. Prof. Chon started with the new draft of Terms of
Reference (APCCIRN-046) which has been circulated over the mailing list.
The basic principle of the change is: the scope of the group extends to
general networking community in AP region, not limited to the academic and
research community.In addition, the organization is focusing more on the
working group (WG) activities and the coordination of the WGs called
Secretariat.
The basic principle of the new Terms of Reference draft was approved
with some discussions.
For the detailed wording of the new Terms, Jun Murai presented a new
draft with new naming "Asia-Pacific Networking Group (APNG)" for this group.
There were some discussions on the wording of the draft to prevent any
possible legal liabilities, the new organizational structure consisting
of APNG Secregariat and Working Groups, and some minor wording changes.
After the due changes, it was agreed to be the new Terms of the
Reference of this group.
[Resolution]
The group agrees to adopt the new draft of Terms of Reference that will
be announced to the mailing list in due course.
[Action Item]
K. Chon will announce this new Terms of Reference to the current
APCCIRN mailing list, and solicit comments for two week from the date
of 18 June 1994. After the period, this new Terms of Reference will
become effective if there is no objection.
[Resolution]
Prof. K. Chon is appointed as the interim chair until the next meeting
from the date when the new Terms of Reference be effective. The new
formality will be decided in the next meeting.
6. Liaison Report
(1) CCIRN
The next CCIRN meeting will take place in 20 - 21 June 1994 in
Amsterdam. The prospective agenda includes: Regional Reports, NAP/GIX
issues, CCIRN's Role, International Laws for Security, IPR, etc.
The participants from this group to the CCIRN meeting in Amsterdam will
be: Chon, Asano, Matsuzaki, Goto, Chiang, Murai, Ramakrishnan.
(2) Summary
The liaisons to other groups are as follows:
Internet Society - Board of Trustees: Prof. Ishida
CCIRN: Prof. Chon (and APCCIRN members)
IEPG: Prof. Murai (and APEPG members)
IAB/IETF: Prof. Murai
APNIC: Dr. Goto
7. Future Meetings
CCIRN:
1994.6.20-21
INET:
1995: Singapore
1996: Canada
1997: Europe
1998: China/India/Thailand (candidates in alphabetical order)
[Resolution]
Prof. Ishida will recommend as a liaison statement to Internet Society
that:
(a) China, India, and Thailand would like to host INET'98 or beyond.
(b) Other continents like Africa and Latin America need to be
considered for the locations for future INET conferences.
IETF:
Australia, Japan, and Korea (in alphabetical order) showed interest to
most future IETF meeting. The group decided not to make any
recommendations on this aspect.
8. Next Meeting
The next meetings of APNG (assuming that the above Terms of Reference
be approved) will take place as follows:
Nov. 1994 Beijing: Workshop (Academia Sinica)
Nov. 1994 Beijing: APNG Meeting (Tsinghua Univ.)
Jun. 1995 Singapore: APNG Meeting (National Univ. of Singapore)
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Appendix A: Participant List
(In alphabetical order of country name and participant name)
Australia Bob Kummerfeld (Univ. of Sydney)
Geoff Huston (AARNET)
Peter Saalmans (AARNET)
Bangladesh Monsur-ul-Hakim (Form Media Centre)
China Hu Daoyuan (Tsinghua Univ.)
Qian Hualin (CNC, Academia Sinica)
Wang Hongbing (CNC, Academia Sinica)
Zhang Guiqing (CNC, Academia Sinica)
Hong Kong Kinming Fung (CUHK)
Lam Anton (CUHK)
India S. Ramakrishnan (DOE/Gov. of India)
Suchit Nanda (Online Service)
Indonesia Samik-Ibarahim, R.M. (Univ. of Indonesia)
Japan Akihiro Shimizu (NTT)
Akira Tashiro (Fujitsu)
David Conrad (IIJ/APNIC)
Devendra Narayan (SUT/CAREN)
Glenn Mansfield (AIC Systems Lab.)
Haruhisa Ishida (Univ. of Tokyo)
Hisao Uose (NTT/NACSIS)
Ikuo Kojima (JPNIC)
Jun Matsukata (ISAS)
Jun Murai (Keio Univ.)
Masaki Hirabaru (JPNIC)
Masami Ogawa (Fujitsu)
Masataka Ohta (Tokyo Institute of Technology)
Masaya Nakayama (JPNIC/APNIC)
Matsuzaki Takayasu (IBM Japan)
Minonu Yokotsuka (RWCP)
Shigeki Goto (JPNIC)
Shin Yoshimura (IIJ/JPNIC)
Shinichi Suzuki (NACSIS)
Shoichiro Asano (NACSIS)
Shuichi Tashiro (ETL)
Tom Agoston (IBM Japan)
Toshifumi Matsumoto (AT&T Jens/Spin)
Toshiya Asaba (IIJ)
Korea Jin Ho Hur (TriGem Computer)
Joo Y. Song (Korea Telecom)
Kilnam Chon (KAIST)
Laos Somlouay Kittignavong (Science Tech. Org/Vientiane)
Malaysia Samsidarwati Mohd Isa (MIMOS)
New Zealand John Houlker (Univ. of Waikato)
Philippines Rosario Carlos (Phillipine Network Foundation, Inc.)
Singapore Foong Lim (Singapore Telecom)
Hew Kean Mean (National Univ. of Singapore)
Lim Say Beng (ICIS)
Michelle Chiang (Technet Unit)
Ronnie Lee (National Science and Tech. Board)
Sri Lanka Gihan Dias (University of Moratuwa)
Taiwan Chang Wen-Chung (SEEDNET)
Chen Wen-Sung (MOE)
Thailand Kanchana Kanchanasut (AIT)
Morragot Chiwaganont (ThaiSarn)
Tonga Sitiveni Finau (Ministry of Education)
USA Curtis Hardyck (Pacific Neighborhood Consortium)
Jeff Smith (Bridge to Asia)
Vietnam Bich-Thuy Dong-Thi (Univ. of Ho-Chi-Minh City)
Others Inayet Syed (ITU)
Shunichi Akazawa (WHO)
Tony Rutkowski (Internet Society)
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