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From: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon)

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Subject: first mail

This is the first mail on the APCCIRN mailing list on Developing Countries.

Please acknowledge the mail.

I would like to see discussion on how to support developing countries to be

networked. The output of the discussion would be delivered to APCCIRN meetingssas well as other meetings. We may try to form projects to implement the output.

Kilnam Chon

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Subject: relevant documents

the following documents are available from us now, and we expect more on

RINSCA and RINSEAP(in hard copy).

chon

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1993.4.22

Kilnam Chon

Bibliography for APCCIRN Work Item on Developing Countries(ap-develop)

UNESCO, Academic and research networks in the Asia and Pacific region, 1992.10,

(APCCIRN-017 for abstract).

S. Trumpy, RINAF Implementation Plan, 1992.12.(APCCIRN-xxx)

R. Cluzel, et al, An approach for the implementation of an information exchange

network in Africa, RINAF, IIP, UNESCO, 1992.4.

UNDP, Workshop Report on the sustainable development network(SDN), 1992.9.

UNDP, SDN brochure, 1992.

RINSEAP, various documents.

INET'93, Announcement of Workshop on Developing Countries.(APCCIRN-xxx)

From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Sat Aug 14 10:07:57 1993

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Subject: proposal on ap-develop group meeting in SF on 8.18

i would like to have the first meeting for SIG-Developing Countries to find

out issues and procedures. we may review on some of the following;

UN activities(RINxxx, SDN,...)

INET Workshop

Other Continent(OAS for Latin America, and RINAF for Africa)

Current status in AP

we may possibly make a report to the APCCIRN Meeting.

i would like to see if we can meet over the lunch on wednesday, 18th.(the second

choice is thursday). let me know on your availability to me. i am staying at

Hyatt Regency from 16th.

kilnam chon

From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Sep 10 14:03:14 1993

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Subject: issues for next apccirn meeting on developing countries

we may start serius discussion on what directions we may head in the coming

years on the issue of developing countries in asia-pacific.

one of the main issues would be project generation for regional development

(as a group) like the one in africa(RINAF) and latin america.

the second issue would be on UN activities such as Sustainable Development

Network(SDN) by UNDP, and WHO's plan as well as UNESCO's effort on

regional meetings.

i would like to see comprehensive report on the above issues at the coming

meetings as we don't know where to start in this region.

i would like to hear your opinion on the above and other relevant matters.

kilnam chon

From chon@Prosit.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 11 06:56:19 1995

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Subject: news on Cambodia

recently came across on Cambodia as follows.

chon

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From George.Sadowsky@CMCL2.NYU.EDU Fri Jan 6 08:24:21 1995

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To: JOHN.R.SAVAGEAU@sprintintl.sprint.com

From: George.Sadowsky@nyu.edu (George Sadowsky)

Subject: RE: Re: Cambodia Internet

Cc: bernie@media.mit.edu, amr@isoc.org, lhl@cs.wisc.edu,

JOHN.R.SAVAGEAU@sprintintl.sprint.com, joscott@igc.apc.org,

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Status: RO

John Savageau:

I think your offer is terrific!

You have, of course, identified the major obstacle to effective networking

-- getting the bits to the country's point of presence can be purchased

or donated, but establishing a sustainable presence/beachhead in the

country may be difficult.

We need initial equipment, software, an expert to set up the base station

and define and establish the first set of services -- probably dial-up

e-mail. While the cost of the equipment is not major, identifying the

expert, and more important, identifying the local counterpart personnel for

assistance and on-the-job training might be difficult. At the moment, the

Internet Society has no formal program of assisting implementation of such

links, although such assistance is clearly worthwhile and needed.

The one contact that has surfaced is Norbert Klein, from Randy Bush's

Gopher. I think I've seen this message already in this correspondence, but

at the risk of being redundant (and for the new folks being cc'ed) I'll

paste it here:

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From uni!uni.hk.net!85500019@hk.net@mhs-relay.ic.ac.uk@mhs-relay.ic.ac.uk

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Subject: Olivier Crepin-Lebl.

Dear Olivier,

>What is the current state of the network, what are the future

>plans, who can connect, who to contact, etc.

The current state: still a very limited connectivity rate,

due to the general situation of the country after more

than 20 years of war and international isolation. The

telephone system is part of the problem: poor line quality

in parts of the capital Phnom Penh, connection only to

four other provincial cities, and only by a satellite

supported cellular phone system.

At present there is one commercial e-mail provider with

internet connection (newsfeed subscription possible on

request, further services to come later).

There are also efforts under way to get a UUCP link (not

yet functional) into the Ministry of Agriculture, and two

NGO based systems started to work on a low profile basis

(as soon as I have more information, also on other plans,

I will send it).

Greetings

Norbert Klein

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Mail: P.O.Box 177, Phnom Penh, CAMBODIA

FaxPhone: [+855] (23) 60345

Internet: 85500019@uni.hk.net

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In addition, we would welcome ISOC Workshop applications for the June 1995

workshop in Hawaii from one or more Cambodians so that we could give them

further training in a less isolated environment. I'm sure that the

workshop could at the very least partially fund such applicants if they wre

the right people, technically and institutionally, within Cambodia.

I will copy this message to several of my contacts in foundations and in

the UN system, to see if your generous offer might possibly spur them to

consider focusing on Cambodia anew, and to assist in making this connection

happen.

I'm not sure what to conclude from this at the moment. There seem to be

possibilities, but no closure.

George Sadowsky

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At 3:26 AM 1/6/95, JOHN.R.SAVAGEAU@sprintintl.sprint.com wrote:

>George,

>

>I think that Sprint wil be able to provide a 64kbps satellite

>link from Phnom Pehn to SprintLink (Stockton) in May or at worst

>June.

>

>I'm working with Harry Cox (Dir, International Carrier Services -

>Sprint International) to secure the cooperation and internal

>funding/support for the effort. We will be able to throuw some additional

>rresources at this project as we complete some other regional tasks.

>

>I would also like to open a broad dialog on what I currently consider the

>most pressing problems, which are long term training and support

>in Cain Cain Cambin Cambodia. Sprint can probably bring Internet to their

>doorstep,

>but I canbut I cannot make any promises past that point. We can also provide

>rourouting and network design assistance.

>

>If you would like, I'll pass the entire file of Sprint's correspondence

>and involvement in this issue up till this point. Then hopefully we

>can work together to deliver the best system for Cambodia's needs.

>

>Sincerely,

>

>

>John Savageau

>Director, Asia-Pacific Operations

>Sprint International

>Sydney, Australia

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George Sadowsky, Director Voice: +1 (212) 998-3040

Academic Computing Facility Fax: +1 (212) 995-4120

New York University

251 Mercer Street

New York, New York 10012-1185 George.Sadowsky@nyu.edu

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Subject: Re: Cambodia Internet Requirements

Status: RO

George,

We are developing a model "turn-key" solution for

Internet providers such as PTTs, and those countries developing

domestic Internets. The solution has a fairly complex

arrangement of hardware, configuration, and routing components,

as well as including training and mid term support for the

customer country or ISP.

This has been successfully accomplished on one large project, and

we are using the model in additional projects now.

Of course, these type solutions do not come for free, and require

a major deployment of personnel dedicated to make the project

work.

In the case of Cambodia, Sprint should be able to assist with

determining models and requirements for the Cambodia side, but

will require external support to make the Cambodia side fully

self sufficient for the day-to-day management of their network.

Again, Sprint will be able to bring Internet to the user side of

the router, help with the technical details of the Cambodia network,

but will look for friends of the net to help for the long term.

Louis Eslami at Sprint in Reston (Eslami@sprintintl.sprint.com)

should be able to provide a model for what we think the Cambodia

side will require, based on our current experience.

Going forward...

John Savageau

(Sydney, Australia)

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