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Subject: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.
Please acknowledge the mail.
We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;
Commercial operation of research and education networks
Services to commercial sectors
Let us know if we need to add other members in Asia-Pacific and other
regions.
Kilnam Chon, APCCIRN Chair
PS: The APCCIRN and UNESCO meetings to be held in Seoul in the first week of
June have been postponed to August(during INET'93) and Fall, respectively.
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From: Guy Almes <almes@ans.net>
To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon)
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Kilnam,
I have received your message and look forward to an
interesting conversation.
-- Guy
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From fyta@chula.ac.th Wed Apr 28 20:38:50 1993
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From: "Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay" <fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th>
Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
To: Kilnam Chon <chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>
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On Wed, 28 Apr 1993, Kilnam Chon wrote:
> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.
> Please acknowledge the mail.
I got it ok.
> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;
>
> Commercial operation of research and education networks
> Services to commercial sectors
I am just wondering. Since we are a newcomer here in Thailand, what is
the normal practice in some advance countries to convert the "mess" of R&D
networks into a commercial operation?
--Yunyong
Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
Speaking for THAINET (Thailand Access-to-the-Internet Network)
Centers of Academic Resources Voice: +66 2 218 2925
Chulalongkorn University Fax: +66 2 215 3617
Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th
From rcollet@icm1.icp.net Thu Apr 29 04:50:58 1993
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From: "Robert D. Collet Sprint GSD" <rcollet@icm1.icp.net>
To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon), apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr
Cc: tdunk@icm1.icp.net
Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
Mr. Chon:
This acknowledges receipt of the APCCIRN-commercial mail. Sprint is looking
forward to helping address commercial requirements in the Asia-Pacific region.
Best regards.
Bob
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Robert D. Collet |
| Principal Investigator, |
| NSFnet International Connections Manager (ICM) |
| Program Manager, SprintLink |
| Sprint Communications Company |
| 13221 Woodland Park Road |
| Herndon, Virginia, 22071 USA |
| |
| Mail Stop: VAHRNA0510 |
| |
| Tel: +1-703-904-2230 |
| Fax: +1-703-904-2252 |
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> To: apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr
> Subject: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
>
> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial
> Operation. Please acknowledge the mail.
>
> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;
>
> Commercial operation of research and education networks
> Services to commercial sectors
>
> Let us know if we need to add other members in Asia-Pacific and other
> regions.
>
> Kilnam Chon, APCCIRN Chair
>
> PS: The APCCIRN and UNESCO meetings to be held in Seoul in the first
> week of June have been postponed to August(during INET'93) and
> Fall, respectively.
>
From tommi@solomon.technet.sg Thu Apr 29 10:15:29 1993
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From: Tommi Chen <tommi@solomon.technet.sg>
Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
To: Kilnam Chon <chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>
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> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.
> Please acknowledge the mail.
Got your mail.
>
> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;
>
> Commercial operation of research and education networks
> Services to commercial sectors
>
How do we start this - ad hoc discussion of members' queries or through
some agenda?
tommi chen
technet unit
singapore
From gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au Thu Apr 29 10:58:53 1993
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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All,
>This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.
>Please acknowledge the mail.
this is an acknowledgement of the note.
Thanks,
Geoff Huston
AARNet
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From: Morragot Chiwaganont <phon@nwg.nectec.or.th>
Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list
To: Mohd Rafee Yusoff <rafee@ms.mimos.my>
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On Wed, 28 Apr 1993, Mohd Rafee Yusoff wrote:
> =>
> => This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.
> => Please acknowledge the mail.
>
> got it.
>
> rafee
> malaysia
I got it today!
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From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Apr 30 13:00:23 1993
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Subject: commercial operations and next APCCIRN meetings
We scheduled the half to one day for the commercial operation during the coming APCCIRN meeting, but the meeting was rescheduled to San Francisco with less
amount of time.
I would like to see presentation of relevant US CIX members at the next APCCIRN
Meeting in San Francisco, and the regional commercial operators' presentation
at the December APCCIRN Meeting. The candidates are as follows;
US CIX Members:
ANS
Sprint
Alternet
JvNCnet
CERFnet
MAE-East(?)
Asia-Pacific:
Australia
India
Japan
Korea
Malaysia
Singapore
Taiwan
Meantime, our email discussion may raise issues to be further discussed in
the face-to-face meeting.
Let me know on your idea and comments on what directions we should target for
this group.
From washburn@cix.org Fri Apr 30 20:39:41 1993
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To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon)
From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director)
Subject: Re: commercial operations and next APCCIRN meetings
Cc: apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr
I would assume that you should also consider BARRnet, NEARnet, and
NorthWestNet as candidates given their CIX memberships. On the other hand,
ANS is not a CIX member. We also anticipate a new member of CIX coming
aboard from Hong Kong. Bill W.
>We scheduled the half to one day for the commercial operation during the
>coming APCCIRN meeting, but the meeting was rescheduled to San Francisco with
>less
>amount of time.
>
>I would like to see presentation of relevant US CIX members at the next
>APCCIRN
>Meeting in San Francisco, and the regional commercial operators' presentation
>at the December APCCIRN Meeting. The candidates are as follows;
>
>US CIX Members:
> ANS
> Sprint
> Alternet
> JvNCnet
> CERFnet
> MAE-East(?)
>
>Asia-Pacific:
> Australia
> India
> Japan
> Korea
> Malaysia
> Singapore
> Taiwan
>
>Meantime, our email discussion may raise issues to be further discussed in
>the face-to-face meeting.
>
>Let me know on your idea and comments on what directions we should target for
>this group.
Bill Washburn <washburn@cix.org>
Executive Director--Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) Assoc.
(303)482-2150
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Subject: presentation in August
i originally thought of the presentation by commercial/general service
providers who have direct cooperation with members of APCCIRN, which are
as follows;
ANS, Sprint, Alternet, JvNCnet, CERFnet, and (CIX)
By adding a few more (NEARnet, Northwestnet, BARRNet), we can have full house
as some of you suggested. Then, things look like that it is better to move
the stage to CCIRN rather than APCCIRN. APCCIRN Meeting will be on 20 and 21,
and CCIRN Meeting will be on 23-25.
Shall we push for the full house presentation at CCIRN, or the original
subset presentation at APCCIRN?
kilnam chon
From chon%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr Wed Jun 9 10:49:44 1993
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Subject: presentation on commercial operation
we will have presentation on commercial operation at the next APCCIRN Meeting.
Since the meeting will be held in USA, we would like to focus on the US
commercial/general service providers, in particular the providers who are
relevant to us. the currently, ANS and Sprint as well as CIX are expected to
make the presentation. we have some more time slot, and would like to hear
if we need to have presentations from other organizations.
chon
PS: who may present CIX at the next APCCIRN meeting?
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APCCIRN-024
1993.6.01
Kilnam Chon
Agenda of APCCIRN Meeting in 1993.8.20-21(Fourth Draft)
Date: 8.20(Friday) 13:30 - 18:00
8.21(Sataurday) 8:30 - 13:00
Room: Sea Cliff C, Hyatt Regency, San Francisco
1. Welcome/Approval of Ageda Chair
2. Minutes Honolulu Meeting Secretariat APCCIRN-021
3. Past Meeting Reports
(a) CCIRN Chair APCCIRN-025
(b) IEPG Murai
(c) ISOC(IETF, IESG, IAB, BoT)
4. APCCIRN Document Update Secretariat
Country File APCCIRN-005
Link Database APCCIRN-007
5. Commercial Operations
(a) General/Commercial Service Providers
CIX(overview) CIX APCCIRN-026
ANS Guy Almes
Sprint Bob Collett
others(Alternet, CERFnet, MFS, ATT)
(b) Country Report on Commercial Operations
Australia G. Huston(?)
Japan J. Murai(?)
Korea M. Huh/I.K. Oh
Malaysia M. Lah(?)
Singapore T. Chen
Taiwan A. Liou
others
(c) Issues
Coordination among commercial operators
Coordination between R&E community and commercial operators
others
6. Work Items
(a) APNIC M. Hirabaru
(b) Internationalization M. Ohta
(c) Developing Countries ?
(d) Regional Conference ?
(e) Organizational Issues ?
(f) others
7. Meeting/Project Report
(a) APCCIRN(?, 93.12/94.1) Chair
(b) CCIRN(Bodega Bay, 93.8.23-25) Chair
(c) IEPG(") Murai
(d) IETF
(e) INET Ishida
(f) UNESCO Workshop on Harmonization Kingston
(g) JWCC
(h) PNC Hardyck
(i) RINSEAP
(j) PACCOM
(k) others
8. AOB
From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Sep 10 13:43:04 1993
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Subject: commercial/general service providers in asia-pacific
we had presentations of some of relevant US service providers at the apccirn
meeting last month. as we concluded at the meeting, we will have extensive
discussions at the next apccirn meeting in taipei in 1993.12.10-11 including
presentations of general/commercial service providers in asia-pacific.
do you know who and which network should make the presentations?
see the attached list to start with.
kilnam chon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1993.9.3
Kilnam Chon
List of Commercial/General Service Providers
--------------------------------------------
Australia
Hong Kong Supernet Bob Coggeshall coggs@cs.ust.hk
India Softnet
Japan ATT Jens T. Matsumoto matsumoto.spin.ad.jp
IIJ
Korea (Dacom)
(KT)
Malaysia (MIMOS)
New Zealand
Singapore Technet
Taiwan SEEDNET
Thailand (NECTEC)
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From: Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@HK.Super.NET>
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To: shen@cs.ust.hk, ttgwong@usthk.ust.hk, ttchan@usthk.ust.hk,
cclaw@usthk.ust.hk, ops@HK.Super.NET
Subject: Commercial Internetworking in Japan..
Cc: ap-commercial@nic.nm.kr, rgilfill@bem2a02.attmail.com,
debra@attihk.attmail.com
> >115 (of 121) AJP Sep. 18, 1993 at 14:11 JST (1185 characters)
> >
> >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 00:55:27 +0900
> >From: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs@intercon.com>
> >
> >After over a year of planning and work, commercial TCP/IP service
> >in Japan is at last available! At approximately 20:00 JST (11:00 GMT)
> >on 17 September 1993, this new era of global connectivity was
> >ushered in with the turnup of the first transpacific commercial
> >Internet link.
> >
> >InterCon International KK (IIKK) and AT&T Jens Corporation are
> >strategic partners in developing commercial Internet service in Japan
> >and the Pacific Rim. We are pleased to announce our respective new
> >services which offer IP connectivity to any organization in Japan
> >without regard to research or educational affiliation, and without
> >burdensome Appropriate Use Policies (AUPs). We at Jens and IIKK
> >extend our appreciation to our US partners: AT&T (US), Performance
> >Systems International, and InterCon Systems Corporation for their
> >help in making commercial TCP/IP service a reality in Japan.
> >
> >For more information on commercial Internet connectivity in Japan,
> >send an inquiry via electronic mail to iikk@nic.inter.net or
> >attjens@nic.inter.net.
Note: HK Supernet is also getting their connection through AT&T and PSI.
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Subject: commercial/general service providers at the Taipei meeting
To: rjb@iikk.inter.net, hiro-f@iij.ad.jp, jysong@ring.kotel.co.kr,
ikoh@halla.dacom.co.kr, tommi@solomon.technet.sg,
ckfan@tpts1.seed.net.tw
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APCCIRN will have a session on Commercial/General Service Providers
at the Taipei meeting (please refer to agenda item #5 in APCCIRN-036).
Currently following persons are expected to have presentations:
B. Coggeshall (Hong Kong Supernet)
T. Matsumoto (ATT Jens/Spin Project)
Please let me know if more commercial/general service providers will
have presentations, including:
Japan (IIKK, IIJ)
Korea (HANAnet, Dacom)
Singapore (Technet)
Taiwan
Others
Please reply by November 16. In case you are unable to attend the meeting,
you may submit a paper / presentation material instead.
Thank you,
--
Taeha Park (APCCIRN Secretariat)
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For your information
-- taeha
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 09:13:50 EST
From: RITIM <ritim%URIACC.URI.EDU@IBM3090.snu.ac.kr>
Subject: INTERNETcom '94
To: Multiple recipients of list RITIM-L <RITIM-L@URIACC.BITNET>
This Announcement is being cross posted from Telecom Digest (don't worry
its not a trend ;-) )
***************************************************************************
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:52:11 -0500
From: Matthew Lucas <matt@telestrat.com>
Subject: TeleStrategies Conference Announcement
INTERNETcom '94
An Internet Commercialization Conference and Exposition
Washington, DC March 21-23, 1994
*How to Market and Sell to 20 Million Internet Users
*Entrepreneurial Opportunities Created by New
Internet Policies
*Leveraging Internet For a Competitive Advantage
Tuesday, March 22, 1994
8:30-9:00 Registration
9:00-10:30
OVERVIEW
Commercial traffic on the Internet is rapidly increasing. What is
driving this growth? Where will new markets emerge? How large will
they be? Who are the current and potential players? What business
opportunities are being created? What commercial uses of the Internet
are emerging? How will today's Internet culture change? What
challenges must be met as commercialization efforts move forward? What
is the role of the National Science Foundation?
Gordon Cook, President, Cook Network Consultants
Anthony Rutkowski, Vice President, Internet Society
Bill Washburn, Executive Director
Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX)
10:30-11:00 Coffee Break
11:00-12:00
SECURITY ISSUES
Security is still a critical issue for anyone who wants to do business
on the Internet. The speaker will address the threats, concerns and
countermeasures that are important and discuss what security policies
and procedures need to be established.
Stephen Crocker, Vice President
Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
12:00-1:30 Hosted Lunch and Exhibits
1:30-3:30
DESIGN AND DELIVERY OF INFORMATION SERVICES
What does it take to design and deliver a successful information
service? Who will the customers be, what do they want and how much
will they pay? What impact will commercialization efforts have on the
information service industry? What challenges lie ahead, including
copyright and licensing issues? What business strategies should the
information industry adopt?
Jeff Crigler, Director, Business Information Services
Mead Data Central
Isabella Hinds, Manager, Professional Relations
Copyright Clearance Center
Robert Raisch, President, The Internet Company
Richard Vancil, Vice President, Marketing, Individual Inc.
3:30-4:00 Coffee Break and Exhibits
4:00-4:30
HOW TO ADVERTISE EFFECTIVELY
How can effective, nonintrusive advertising be accomplished on the
Internet? What features of the Internet culture and etiquette are
important to understand in order to be successful?
Judith Axler Turner, a head of the working group on advertising
for the Coalition for Networked Information
4:30-5:30
USING THE INTERNET FOR A COMPETITIVE EDGE
How can business owners enhance their operations by using the Internet
not only to offer a variety of information and document delivery
services, but also to market and sell? The speakers will discuss the
lessons learned in implementing and using Internet connectivity and
explain how to identify business costs.
Chris Vandenburg, Internetworking Product Manager
Rockwell International
Speaker to be Announced
5:30-6:30 Reception and Exhibits
Wednesday, March 23, 1994
8:30-9:15
INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS
What opportunities exist for providing Internet access? What will be
driving growth over the next few years? What range of services can be
provided? What are end users looking for? What does it take to be
successful?
Michael Ballard, Chief Operating Officer, UUNET
Speaker to be Announced
9:15-10:00
NAVIGATION TOOLS
What are the primary challenges to navigating on the Internet and
what tools are currently available?
Bruce Antelman, President, Information Express
Kevin Oliveau, Engineer, WAIS, Inc.
10:00-10:30 Coffee Break and Exhibits
10:30-11:30
BILLING AND SETTLEMENT ISSUES
The speakers will address the following topics: billing/accounting
issues and Internet service provisioning; cost and rate structures;
billing options available to information service providers; and an
update on billing-related activities of the Internet Engineering
Task Force.
Taso Devetzis, Member Technical Staff, Bellcore
Bob Doyle, Director, Marketing, Sprint
11:30-11:45 Coffee Break
11:45-12:30
INTERNET ACCESS VIA CABLE TV
Cable companies are looking at advanced communications uses for
today's cable TV systems. One such use is remote high-speed access.
The speakers will describe a cable-based access method and provide an
update on cable/Internet trials, including a distance education
project.
Gordon Cook, President, Cook Network Consultants - MODERATOR
James Ginsburg, Senior Information Officer, Jones Intercable, Inc.
Ed Moura, Vice President, Marketing and Sales
Hybrid Networks, Inc.
Pre-Conference Tutorial
UNDERSTANDING INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES
FOR NON-ENGINEERS AND STRATEGIC PLANNERS
by Dr. Jerry Lucas and Invited Faculty
Monday, March 21, 1994 * 9:00a.m. to 5:00p.m.
This one-day tutorial is for the non-engineer, strategic planner,
entrepreneur or anyone who has to understand the Internet in order to
make business decisions about emerging commercial opportunities. This
tutorial covers not only Internet technologies, economics and
leading-edge opportunities, but also looks at operational issues such
as addressing, network management and security from a business
development perspective.
1. INTERNET OVERVIEW: What is the Internet? Who controls it? What can
you do with it? Who pays for it? Who are the players domestically and
internationally? What is the role of the NII and NREN? Why are the
RBOCs, cable TV companies, IXCs and PDA vendors interested in
Internet? Why all the attention to commercialization?
2. INTERNET ACCESS, NAVIGATION AND APPLICATIONS: How to find, share
and sell information on the Internet. The basic application tools and
navigation/search systems (FTP, TELNET, ARCHIE, GOPHER, WWW, WAIS,
etc.). Access service providers (CIX, PSI, Sprint and others). Access
options (dial-up, dedicated, frame relay, cable TV and wireless). New
entrepreneurial developments.
3. INTERNET ADDRESSING: IP addressing. How to obtain addresses (Class
A,B,and C). CIDR, Internet DNS and how to register. Setting up an
E-mail server, bulletin board and directory service. New business
opportunities.
4. INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES: Role of TCP/IP. MAC vs. PC products. LAN
access (SLIP, PPP, frame relay, etc.) and WAN and ATM developments.
IPX, DECNET and APPLETALK. Leading edge vendors and where their
products are headed.
5. INTERNET MANAGEMENT AND SECURITY: Managing a commercial Internet
service. SNMP management tools and products. Security concerns,
encryption, authentication and Clipper Chip issues. Other operational
concerns related to doing business on the Internet.
WORKSHOP TRACK
Monday, March 21, 1994
9:00-12:30
INTRODUCTION TO THE INTERNET
What is the Internet? How does it work? How can it help me? How much
does it cost to use? What are the rules and policies that govern the
Internet?
GETTING CONNECTED
What does it take to get connected to the Internet? What choices are
available? How much does it cost to get connected? What should I look
for in a service provider? What problems can I expect and how can they
be solved?
2:00-5:00
INFORMATION ACCESS AND DELIVERY
How can I find out what electronic information is available on the
Internet? Specifically, what information, catalogs, textual documents
and databases are available and how can they be accessed?
Tuesday, March 22, 1994
9:00-12:00
NAVIGATING THE INTERNET
What tools are available for navigating through the Internet and
searching for information? What are the advantages and disadvantages
of each of these techniques? What is the outlook for the future?
2:00-5:00
ACCESS AND MANAGEMENT ISSUES
Once your organization has been connected to the Internet, who should
have access? What guidelines and policies should be set to maximize
the benefits for everyone? What management and training issues will
arise in this new environment?
RAISING VENTURE CAPITAL FOR INTERNET ENTREPRENEURS
What are venture capitalists looking for when they want to invest?
How should you structure your business plan to make it attractive to
investors?
Wednesday, March 23, 1994
9:00-12:00
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET
What electronic information resources developed by and about the
government are available on the Internet?
DEMONSTRATIONS / EXHIBITS
Live Demonstrations of:
* Navigating Tools - Online Services
* Internet-based Commercial Applications
* Internet Access via Cable TV
* Fax-on-Demand
Exhibit Hours:
Monday, March 21, 1994 12:00PM-7:00PM
Tuesday, March 22, 1994 10:00AM-7:00PM
Wednesday, March 23, 1994 10:00AM-2:00PM
-----------------------------------------------------
CONFERENCE HOTEL: The conference will be held at the SHERATON
CRYSTAL CITY HOTEL 1800 Jefferson Davis Highway, Arlington, VA
22202, (703) 486-1111.
CONFERENCE HOURS: Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. on Monday and
Tuesday. Session hours are 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on Monday; 9:00
a.m. to 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday; and 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. on
Wednesday, March 23.
FOR MORE INFORMATION OR IMMEDIATE REGISTRATION
CALL TELESTRATEGIES AT 703-734-7050
For exhibit information call JACKIE McGUIGAN at (703) 734-7050.
David J. Cordeiro
The Research Institute for
Telecommunications and Information Marketing (RITIM)
College of Business Administration
The University of Rhode Island
Kingston, RI 02881-0802 (USA)
Tel: 1-401-792-5065
Fax: 1-401-792-4312
E-mail: RITIM@URIACC.URI.EDU
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To: ap-commercial@krnic.net
Subject: ap-commercial BoF at Networld/Interop Thursday, June 28 6.30pm
If you will be At InterOp/Networld in Tokyo this week...
AP-COMMERCIAL BOF AT NETWORLD/INTEROP THURSDAY, JUNE 28 6.30PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Asia Pacific Networking Group (APNG) AP-Commercial interest group is
a forum for discussing the direction of and issues unique to, commercial
internetwork service providers in the region. Our charter is driven by
the participants. Possible topics include our role as information
clearing house, sharing our experience with developing countries
(especially about dealing with government and PTT regulations), Our
high-cost international private leased circuits. The hope is to
promote an atmosphere which encourages openess while at the same
time maintaing a freely competitve environment.
ALL ARE WELCOME !
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From: Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@hongkong.super.net>
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To: apng-commercial@krnic.net
Subject: apng-commercial agenda for Beijing meeting..
Greetings all,
I am the coordinator for the apng-commercial interest group. If you plan
to attend the ap-commercial portion of the apng meeting in Beijing Nov28&29.
Please help by suggeting topics that should be discussed.
Here's what we have so far:
- Country status
- Provider status
- CIX and AP-CIX consideration
- INET '95 commercial session
* apng / apnic assistance models
* small / developing provider participation
* net.presence: (reports, FAQs, hypertext links, etc)
Let's get as much detail together prior to the meeting so it can
be really productive.
..c
== Bob Coggeshall == Cogwheel Inc. (Hong Kong) == coggs@hongkong.cogwheel.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:07:48 PDT
From: barry@singnet.com.sg
Subject: RE: apng-commercial agenda for Beijing meeting..
To: apng-commercial@krnic.net,
Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@hongkong.super.net>
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Hi Bob,
>Here's what we have so far:
>
> - Country status
> - Provider status
> - CIX and AP-CIX consideration
> - INET '95 commercial session
>
> * apng / apnic assistance models
> * small / developing provider participation
> * net.presence: (reports, FAQs, hypertext links, etc)
>
How about:
- Cost (International Lease Circuit) ILC cost.
- AP WWW Commercial Infrastructure
Also, AP-CIX and CIX are models that really will not work in the AP region
becuase of the ILC costs. I think a more benefitial discussion would be on
how to create an envrionment that will promote bi-laterial interconnects
between ISPs in the region.
Thoughts?
Barry Raveendran Greene
SingNet
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To: ap-commercial@krnic.net
Subject: CIX filtering
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:35:01 +0900
From: David R Conrad <davidc@iij.ad.jp>
FYI...
Regards,
-drc
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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:25:58 -0500
From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>
To: com-priv@psi.com
cc: cix-members@cix.org
Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision
The following was distributed to CIX members earlier today. The CIX Board
would appreciate the further propagation of this correspondence to assure all
potentially impacted parties have timely notice.
Thanks
Bob Collet for the CIX Board
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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:31:41 -0500
>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>
To: cix-members@cix.org
Cc: cix-board@cix.org, 0004704319@mcimail.com, lscanlan@cix.org,
rcollet@sprint.net
Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision
TO: CIX Members
CC: Ron Plesser
FROM: Bob Collet on Behalf of the Board
SUBJECT: CIX FILTERING OF NON CIX MEMBER ROUTES TO BEGIN NOV 15.
After careful consideration of membership and legal input from Ron Plesser,
CIX Counsel, the CIX Board has reaffirmed its decision to filter-out the
routes of non members. The guiding principle of this decision is that of
fairness to the members who are paying for the service of route
advertisement. Consequently, non-CIX member routes will be filtered at the
CIX router begining November 15, 1994. Pending members whose applications
are in process as of November 15 will not be filtered, and they will have
through the end of 1994 to complete payment.
Networks that are 51% owned by another service provider who is a CIX member
need not acquire membership.
Filtering will initially be performed at the Autonomous System level. Since
many non member routes are within member Automous Systems, the CIX will
subsequently filter individual routes. The CIX will contact the appropriate
AS prior to the establishment of filtering to assure proper filtering.
Several CIX members are now privately interconnected at MAE-East, and
soon at the NSF-sponsored NAPs and via PacBell/Bell Atlantic SMDS networks.
These high performance interconnections are not within the framework of the
CIX and are consequently not impacted by the CIX-router filtering. Peering
at these interconnection points will be governed by private, bilateral
agreements. Given the inherent scaling limitations of the CIX router-based
interconnection point, the board recommends members interconnect via the
above alternatives.
The board regrets any inconvenience caused by the delay in confirming the
filtering decision.
We are endeavoring to complete correspondence regarding the issues of:
- Increase in board size from 5 to 7 members
- Vendor operation of CIX router
- Executive Director search status
- Membership survey results
We also regret the delay in the completion of these items.
Bob Collet for the Board
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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To: apng-commercial@krnic.net
Subject: Recent decisions at the CIX for your information..
>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>
>To: cix-members@cix.org
>Cc: cix-board@cix.org, 0004704319@mcimail.com, lscanlan@cix.org,
> rcollet@sprint.net
>Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision
>Sender: cix-members-owner@cix.org
TO: CIX Members
CC: Ron Plesser
FROM: Bob Collet on Behalf of the Board
SUBJECT: CIX FILTERING OF NON CIX MEMBER ROUTES TO BEGIN NOV 15.
After careful consideration of membership and legal input from Ron Plesser,
CIX Counsel, the CIX Board has reaffirmed its decision to filter-out the
routes of non members. The guiding principle of this decision is that of
fairness to the members who are paying for the service of route
advertisement. Consequently, non-CIX member routes will be filtered at the
CIX router begining November 15, 1994. Pending members whose applications
are in process as of November 15 will not be filtered, and they will have
through the end of 1994 to complete payment.
Networks that are 51% owned by another service provider who is a CIX member
need not acquire membership.
Filtering will initially be performed at the Autonomous System level. Since
many non member routes are within member Automous Systems, the CIX will
subsequently filter individual routes. The CIX will contact the appropriate
AS prior to the establishment of filtering to assure proper filtering.
Several CIX members are now privately interconnected at MAE-East, and
soon at the NSF-sponsored NAPs and via PacBell/Bell Atlantic SMDS networks.
These high performance interconnections are not within the framework of the
CIX and are consequently not impacted by the CIX-router filtering. Peering
at these interconnection points will be governed by private, bilateral
agreements. Given the inherent scaling limitations of the CIX router-based
interconnection point, the board recommends members interconnect via the
above alternatives.
The board regrets any inconvenience caused by the delay in confirming the
filtering decision.
We are endeavoring to complete correspondence regarding the issues of:
- Increase in board size from 5 to 7 members
- Vendor operation of CIX router
- Executive Director search status
- Membership survey results
We also regret the delay in the completion of these items.
Bob Collet for the Board
>From cix-members-owner@cix.org Thu Nov 3 09:11:25 1994
>Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:11:26 -0500
>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>
>To: cix-members@cix.org
>Cc: cix-board@cix.org, rcollet@sprint.net
>Subject: PROPOSED CIX ROUTING SERVICE CHANGES
>Sender: cix-members-owner@cix.org
>Precedence: bulk
TO: CIX MEMBERS
FROM: Bob Collet on behalf of the CIX Board
SUBJECT: PROPOSED CIX ROUTING SERVICE CHANGES
The CIX Board is proposing a two phased, sequential changes to the CIX
routing service:
1) CIX Router Management by a non CIX Member
A key concern expressed at the CIX Membership Meeting was CIX router
management contract performance by a CIX member. Consequently, the Board
proposes to contract-out this function to a firm who is a not a CIX member.
The Board would like to thank PSI for the establishment and operation of the
CIX router.
2) Decommissioning of the CIX Router
In response to service performance demands including throughput and physical
diversity, the CIX Board proposes decommissioning the CIX router in
favor of pairwise peering over link-level networks, e.g., LEC SMDS, MFS FDDI,
etc.
The CIX would provide a model bilateral agreement and database any
agreements the participants desire to make publically available. The CIX
Board believes that the marginal benefit of the CIX router is minimal or non
existent given the richness of existing and planning interconnectivity among
National (and global) Service Providers (NSPs). It is anticipated the
vigorous competition among NSPs will yield cost-effective global connectivity
to the local Internet Service Providers (ISPs) if they do not wish to
interconnect with all NSPs at high performance interconnection points.
The termination of routing services will enable the CIX to concentrate on
business issues instead of router operational issues. The CIX Board will
soon provide a set of proposed initiatives.
If the membership agrees, the CIX Board anticipates decommissioning the CIX
router by end 1Q95 to provide adequate notice for those ISPs who obtain their
connectivity to commercial networks via a direct connection to the CIX router
(in Santa Clara).
As a manifistation of this proposal, several CIX members will be
interconnecting via PacBell SMDS at a rate of 34 Mbps. This arrangement
provides throughput capability not achievable via the current CIX router
configuration. Furthermore, this arrangement eliminates the need for an
independent entity to manage the routing/filtering as this is privately
managed through private, bilateral agreements.
CIX-member input into these two proposals is solicited.
Please advise.
Bob Collet for the CIX Board
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To: apng-sec@apng.org
Subject: apng-commercial beijing minutes draft
Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org,
lkong@singnet.com.sg (Ong Lai Keun - Singapore Telecom),
aki@web.ad.jp (Akiya Tashiro - Fujitsu Japan),
yusuzuki@secom-sis.co.jp (Yuichi Suzuki - Secom Information Systems Japan),
tojo@surigiken.co.jp (Tojo Iwao - Surigiken Co., Ltd Japan),
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Haruhisa Ishida - University of Tokyo),
hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn (Hu Daoyuan - Tsinghua University),
wendylin@HK.Super.NET (Lin Wen - Hong Kong Supernet),
candy@moersc.edu.tw (Erin Chen - TWNIC/MOE Taiwan),
Quan-Ming@Sprint.Sprint.COM (Ben Chen - Sprint China),
cccykwok@citu.edu.hk (C.Y. Kwok - City University of Hong Kong),
joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk (Joseph Leung - HK Baptist University),
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk (P.T. Ho University of HK),
aaron@hklink.net (Aaron Cheung - Hong Kong Link),
Kilnam Chon <chon@prosit.stanford.edu>, pindar@HK.Super.NET
Sorry for the delay in getting this out. I've only just gotten back
home from 1 month on the road. ..c
Those who were at the meeting, please check for correctness
clarity and email me revisions.
thanks
..c
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MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1
COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12
BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall
The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting
at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall
(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.
Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.
As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.
The following topics were taken up:
1) APNIC assistance models
2) Country/provider status
3) International leased circuit costs
4) Ap-commercial net presence
5) The travelling businessman plan
6) Housekeeping issues
7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns
1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS
Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is
made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning
He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network
address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table
space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.
Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member
Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications
with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]
in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try
to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group
for review.
Will discuss further by email
2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS
(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between
5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)
1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan
IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in
1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,
Hong Kong, etc.
2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom
SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have
1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,
512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service
soon..
3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)
ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP
and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.
AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.
They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.
4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,
only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.
5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China
Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.
Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts
and Telecommunications.
6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education
There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.
All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,
HINET has 64k to ANS in US.
7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd
now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.
HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,
will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,
1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be
in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging
scheme of HK$288/mo.
8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,
PPP and UUCP services.
9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet
HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.
A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.
6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.
They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.
10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM
Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.
They are free to compete with the MPT.
3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)
Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased
data circuits go to the US because they are almost always
less expensive than links between non US countries. It was
concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements
set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and
without someone expert in such matters, there was not much
that our group could do to change things.
4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE
Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents
were not available in WWW form.
Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.
5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN
Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting
asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking
in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers
through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary
accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.
6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES
In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,
Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the
*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.
Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.
These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the
general meeting.
7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS
Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on
current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its
impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that
CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to
make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.
In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.
This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit
and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)
Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial
providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves
(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also
provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other
global network and backbone operators.
ATTENDEES
matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)
lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom
aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)
ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)
tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)
hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)
toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet
wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)
liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)
candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)
quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China
ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong
chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK
joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK
tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)
agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan
aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications
coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.
Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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To: apng-sec@apng.org
Subject: apng-commercial beijing minutes draft
Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org,
lkong@singnet.com.sg (Ong Lai Keun - Singapore Telecom),
aki@web.ad.jp (Akiya Tashiro - Fujitsu Japan),
yusuzuki@secom-sis.co.jp (Yuichi Suzuki - Secom Information Systems Japan),
tojo@surigiken.co.jp (Tojo Iwao - Surigiken Co., Ltd Japan),
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Haruhisa Ishida - University of Tokyo),
hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn (Hu Daoyuan - Tsinghua University),
wendylin@HK.Super.NET (Lin Wen - Hong Kong Supernet),
candy@moersc.edu.tw (Erin Chen - TWNIC/MOE Taiwan),
Quan-Ming@Sprint.Sprint.COM (Ben Chen - Sprint China),
cccykwok@citu.edu.hk (C.Y. Kwok - City University of Hong Kong),
joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk (Joseph Leung - HK Baptist University),
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk (P.T. Ho University of HK),
aaron@hklink.net (Aaron Cheung - Hong Kong Link),
Kilnam Chon <chon@prosit.stanford.edu>, pindar@HK.Super.NET
Sorry for the delay in getting this out. I've only just gotten back
home from 1 month on the road. ..c
Those who were at the meeting, please check for correctness
clarity and email me revisions.
thanks
..c
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MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1
COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12
BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall
The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting
at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall
(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.
Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.
As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.
The following topics were taken up:
1) APNIC assistance models
2) Country/provider status
3) International leased circuit costs
4) Ap-commercial net presence
5) The travelling businessman plan
6) Housekeeping issues
7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns
1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS
Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is
made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning
He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network
address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table
space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.
Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member
Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications
with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]
in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try
to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group
for review.
Will discuss further by email
2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS
(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between
5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)
1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan
IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in
1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,
Hong Kong, etc.
2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom
SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have
1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,
512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service
soon..
3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)
ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP
and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.
AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.
They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.
4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,
only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.
5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China
Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.
Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts
and Telecommunications.
6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education
There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.
All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,
HINET has 64k to ANS in US.
7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd
now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.
HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,
will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,
1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be
in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging
scheme of HK$288/mo.
8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,
PPP and UUCP services.
9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet
HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.
A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.
6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.
They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.
10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM
Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.
They are free to compete with the MPT.
3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)
Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased
data circuits go to the US because they are almost always
less expensive than links between non US countries. It was
concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements
set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and
without someone expert in such matters, there was not much
that our group could do to change things.
4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE
Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents
were not available in WWW form.
Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.
5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN
Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting
asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking
in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers
through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary
accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.
6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES
In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,
Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the
*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.
Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.
These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the
general meeting.
7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS
Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on
current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its
impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that
CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to
make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.
In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.
This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit
and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)
Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial
providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves
(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also
provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other
global network and backbone operators.
ATTENDEES
matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)
lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom
aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)
ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)
tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)
hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)
toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet
wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)
liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)
candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)
quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China
ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong
chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK
joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK
tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)
agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan
aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications
coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.
Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
Message-Id: <199502090152.AA00842@fracas.cogwheel.com>
To: apng-commercial@apng.org
Subject: CIX Draft Strategic Plan
CIX announced their much ballyhooed 'Strategic Plan' a while back.
I have received permission to share it with you all.
Note especially their notion of a international version of
CIX called `CIXI'.
Sorry about the formatting. That's they way it came.
..c
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COMMERCIAL INTERNET
EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION
STRATEGIC PLAN
DRAFT
1/24/95
CIX STRATEGIC PLAN
DRAFT
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1.0 INTRODUCTION 3
2.0 CIX MISSION 3
3.0 MEMBERSHIP 3
4.0 CIX ORGANIZATION 3
4.1 CIX International 3
4.2 National CIX Chapters 4
4.2.1 USA Chapter 4
5.0 RULES OF CONDUCT 4
6.0 ASSOCIATION SERVICES 5
6.1 Regulatory &
Legislative.................................................................
....................6
6.1.1 Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) Status 6
6.1.2 Minimizing Competition from Federal and State Networks 6
6.1.3 Ammending Telemedicine/FDA Law to Support Interstate 6
6.1.4 Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service Definition 7
6.1.5 Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA) Features for ISPs 7
6.1.6 Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture Features for ISPs 8
6.1.7 Assurance of Privacy 8
6.1.8 Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT) 8
6.1.9 Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless Standards/Regulations 9
6.2 Operational/Connectivity
6.2.1 Universal Connectivity Policy: 9
6.2.2 Infrastruture 10
6.3 Sales/Marketing 10
6.3.1 Participate in Market/Technology projects, e.g., NII 10
6.3.2 Evaluate Electronic Commerce Proposals 11
6.3.3 ISP Industry Statistics 11
6.3.4 CIX Newsletter 11
6.4 Financial 11
7.0 CONCLUSION 12
1.0 INTRODUCTION
This document describes the Strategic Plan of the CIX. Mission,
organizational structure,
rules of conduct by association members, and association services are
discussed.
2.0 CIX MISSION
The goals of CIX are to facilitate global connectivity among commercial
Internet Service
Providers (ISPs) throughout the world, encourage commercial use of the
Internet and
foster fair and open environments for Internet commercialization (in standards,
international law, etc), and provide a forum for the exchange of
experiences and ideas to
enhance the vitality of the ISP industry.
3.0 MEMBERSHIP
Membership is open and falls in three categories: Platinum - Participating
Members,
Gold - Associate Members and Silver - General Members. The membership fee
structure
will be graduated based on the services provided. As an example, Platinum
- Participating
Members will be elgible for all services and will hence, pay the highest
membership fee.
Gold- Associate Members will be elgible for "core" services and the fee
will be less
accordingly. Finally, Silver - General Members will be elgible for "basic"
services only
and will pay the lowest fee. In addition, Platinum and Gold members will
receive a
discount on membership renewal.
4.0 CIX ORGANIZATION
To facilitate responsiveness to local issues, the CIX will have both
national chapters and
an international chapter, i.e., CIX International (CIXI).
4.1 CIX International
The following activities will be executed or settled by CIXI:
1.) Advocate CIX interest with international standards and policy
bodies, e.g., ISOC, ISO.
2.) Host a yearly conference
3.) Publish CIX International Monthly News Letter
CIXI leadership will initially consist of a board, Chairman of the board,
President,
Treasurer and Secretary. There are no restrictions on the number of
positions that an
individual may hold to facilitate the establishment of CIX International.
Leadership
positions may only be filled by CIX National officers.
CIXI leadership will initially be filled by the current CIX leadership to
facilitate initial
operations. The first elections for CIXI positions will be held at INET'95
in Hawaii.
CIXI leadership positions will be uncompensated. Their direct expenses in
the conduct
of CIXI business will be reimburseable.
CIXI offices will be co-located with CIX-USA to facilitate initial CIXI
operations.
Subsequent location will follow the Chairman of the Board's host country.
CIX national members may set the dues of their members. CIX International
funding will
be derived from the number of individual members, e.g., $1,000/year for
each member of
each CIX. (Exact amount needs to be computed).
4.2 National CIX Chapters
4.2.1 USA Chapter
See existing by laws.
5.0 RULES OF CONDUCT
CIX Members agree to the following policies:
Membership in CIX USA should *require* adherence to the following rules of
conduct.
The "Member of CIX" designation should be a sign of quality and good service. A
member who repeatedly violates the rules of conduct should be subject to
termination by
the Board of Directors. This may be indicative of providing service
unethically or
providing inferior service.
The rules of membership:
1) Members agree to make "best efforts" in maintaining universal
connectivity the
standard of conduct.
2) Members of CIX should not be engaged in any form of racial, political or
religious
discrimination or any discriminatiol based on contents of customer
communications (i.e.
follow the letter and spirit of the 1986 Electronic Privacy Act).
3) Facilitating Customer's Freedom of Choice
CIX members should not exploit technical problems of other ISPs to prevent
customers
from switching to another service providers and should not make the
associated costs
prohibitly high. Cooperation in cut-over procedures to make it easy for
customers is a
must. CIX should make reasonable efforts in advertising that provider's
membership in
CIX guarantees its customers freedom of choice.
4) Joint Troubleshooting
CIX members agree to promptly troubleshoot problems in their networks
discovered or
diagnosed by other ISPs or their customers.
5) Maintaining Integrity of Routing and Domain Name Service
In no case should CIX members willfully announce routes or change DNS
registration
without the consent of the previous service provider. Most mistakes and
misunderstandings occur when consent is not given. Other cases may fall
under provision
in 3) above "Facilitating Customer's Freedom of Choice".
6) Cooperation in Fighting Network Terrorism and Other Electronic
Communications-
Related Criminal Activities
CIX members should cooperate in detection, investigation and prevention of
aforementioned activities with each other, non-CIX members and other
corporate security
departments and law enforcement organizations. CIX members agree to make a
customer's participation in such activities a sufficient reason for
immediate service
termination.
CIX members may elect not to communicate with service providers which refuse to
participate in maintaining the abuse-free networking (even if it is at odds
with achieving
the universal connectivity).
6.0 ASSOCIATION SERVICES
6.1 Regulatory & Legislative
The CIX will encourage use of the Internet for business applications by
lobbying for the
following:
- Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) status
- Minimizing competition from federal and state networks
- Ammending Telemedicine/FDA law to support interstate
- Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service definition
- Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA)
features for ISPs
- Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture
features for ISPs
- Assurance of Privacy
- Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT)
- Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless standards/regulations
The CIX will meet with various Government Agencies, e.g., FCC, NSF,
Commerce, and
other Associations (FARNET, ISOC, National Exchange Carrier Standards
Association
(NCSA), US Telephone Association, National Cable Television Association (NCTA),
Information Industry Association, Industrial Telecommunications
Association, Personal
Communications Industry Association), public interst groups (Consumer
Federation of
America), and Think Tanks(Economic Strategy Institute) to convey standing
6.1.1 Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) Status
Issue: Enhanced Service providers (ESPs) such as Tymnet, CompuServe and
SprintNet,
have paid LECs end-user rates for switched access in contrast to
Interexchange Carriers
(IXC) who pay for switched access on a per minute basis. The difference
between rates
is an order of magnitude. ESPs have enjoyed this status because of the
requirement for
public policy to foster an "on-line nation". LECs have advocated a uniform switched
access policy whereby ESPs would pay the same rates as the IXCs because
facilities are
consumed indentically.
CIX Position: CIX advocates maintenance of differential switched access rates.
CIX Strategy: Meet with FCC Common Carrier Bureau to describe our emerging ISP
industry. Statistics needed.
6.1.2 Minimizing Competition from Federal and State Networks
Issue: The Federal Government has historically operated its own networks
for both
security and economic reasons. Unfortunately, some agencies have expanded
their
networking mission scope to include providing Internet access to
universities and
contractors. Various states, e.g., North Carolina, are either building or
advocating the
construction of state-wide information Highways where Internet services to
state
insitutions and affiliated citizens are included.
CIX Position: CIX advocates Government withdrawl from the commercial
marketplace.
CIX Strategy: Meet with DOD, NASA, NSF, DOE and describe position. Prepare
position paper for issuance to State governments advocating industry
fulfilment of
connectivity requirements.
6.1.3 Ammending Telemedicine/FDA Law to Support Interstate
Issue: Existing state laws prohibit usage of physicians across state
boundaries. This
dramatically reduces the viability of telemedicine technologies. Also, FDA
has included
telemedicine systems withing their regulatory scope. This may greatly
decrease the
development and use of such systems. See attached article by Brock Meeks.
CIX Position: CIX advocates national standards for use of telemedicine systems.
CIX Strategy: Meet with FDA to describe position. Meet with NII management to
coordinate position.
6.1.4 Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service Definition
Issue: Universal Service of dial tone has been a national goal for decades
and has been
essentially achieved through a complicated system of settlements and cross
subsidies. As
Congress debates new telecommunications policy, the subject of Universal
Service is
highly visible. In order for LECs to be competitive with "unregulated"
carriers they must
be freed of their Universal Service responsibilities. Consequently, the
current debate is
how to provide affordable service while "freeing" the LECs so that they may
compete.
During the debate about Universal Service the subject of expanding the
definition has
repeatedly surfaced to include Internet access. Such a definition would
dramatically alter
the profile of the current ISP industry.
Included in the category of interest is the subject of Rural Datafication.
CIX Position: Internet access should not be included within any definition
of Universal
Service. Rural datafication initiative will be examined to assure
fulfilment of service
requirements by commercial sources, i.e., no networks dedicated to
servicing rural
requirements.
CIX Strategy: Meet with legislative branch to describe position.
Coordinate position
with other associations. Respond to position papers, e.g., Teleport
Universal Access
Assurance II, A Blue Print for Action.
6.1.5 Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA) Features for ISPs
Issue: To facilitate LEC and IXC competition the FCC has established an Open
Network Architecture (ONA) policy which seperates access features. For
example, CO
colocation and signaling system access services are provided to LEC
competitors. There
may be ONA features the ISP industry needs but is not included within ONA
provisions.
CIX Position: Examine ONA to determine desireability and suitability for
ISPs.
Example, colocation may only be available to facilities-based carriers; but
would the
membership want this capability?
CIX Strategy: Insufficient information at this time. Review ONA
provisions and report
to the membership with synopsis and proposed strategy.
6.1.6 Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture Features for ISPs
Issue: LECs have FCC-mandated ONA provisions to provide unbundled exchange
features to alternative access providers and IXCs. The purpose of this regulation is to
facilitate economic interoperability between LECs and other (perhaps
facilities-based)
carriers. The rationale for such regulation is the LECs control of
"bottleneck" access
facilities. It is probable that CATV companies will also acquire similar
status whereby
the economic environment is transformed from a monopoly to an
duopololy/oligopoly.
Thus, CATV access features may also need to be unbundled.
CIX Position: CATV access should have ESP safeguards similar to the LEC.
CIX Strategy: Examine full duplex CATV systems, and assess openness and
potential impact on ISPs utilizing this access method.
6.1.7 Assurance of Privacy
Issue: In 1994 there were three privacy-based executive/legislative
initiatives impacting
the ISP industry: Clipper Chip, Wire Tapping and Content Restriction. The
Clipper
Chip would have resulted in devices which would include a US
Government-breakable
encryption method. The Wire Tapping legislation would have required
service providers
to provide provisions for the FBI to intercept traffic. Content
Restrictions provisions in
the Telecommunications legislation (HR3636?) would have required ESPs to
"filter-out"
offensive traffic (as Prodigy does).
CIX Position: No to the Clipper Chip because of the uncertainty it would
introduce into
the marketplace. No current position on Wire Tapping. No to Content
Restrictions.
CIX Strategy: Position papers on each of the above for dissemination
throughtout
Executive/legislative.
6.1.8 Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT)
Issue: LECs are submitting the FCC applications for the provision of home
intra LATA
Video Dial Tone (VDT) services. Video Dial Tone is supposed to provide
subscribers
access to video content providers. In 4Q94 the FCC established accounting
rules which
CATV industry opposes because of allowable cost ambiguity and application
timing
(applications to the FCC may be made after the system is built rather than
before). It is
possible that such a system could include Internet access capabilities,
ee.g., for the
purpose of signaling/ordering. Obviously, inclusion of this capability
would have a
devistating impact of non-facilities-based ISPs.
CIX Position: LEC VDT services should not be allowed to include Internet
access
capabilities.
CIX Strategy: Review LEC applications and objective to the FCC if Internet
access is
either explicit or implicit.
6.1.9 Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless Standards/Regulations
Issue: The PCS industry is new and likely to change as the technology and
market
requirements become better understood.
CIX Position: Like wireless and CATV access, PCS regulation/rules should
be friendly
to the ISP industry.
CIX Strategy: Understand and follow PCS regulation/legislation and assess
impact to
ISP industry. Meet with PCS association. Report to membership findings and
recommendations.
6.2 Operational/Connectivity
6.2.1 Universal Connectivity Policy:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Issue: CIX USA is a trade organization which facilitates universal
connectivity through
settlment-free exchange of traffic at major IntereXchange Points (IXPs).
It should be
made clear that connecting to an IXP does *not* guarantee universal
connectivity;
bilaterial agreements on transit (with settlments) may be required. So --
nation- or world-
wide NSPs have a choice of maintaining the presense on all key IXPs or
entering bilaterial
transit agreements with other large NSPs. Small ISPs will have a choice
between
connecting to a single IXP and making appropriate transit agreements to
reach universal
connectivity or to become a customer of a large NSP which maintains universal
connectivity of its own (or combination of both).
The competition between large NSPs should keep costs of universal connectivity
reasonable for small ISPs. The goal of the settlment-free exchange rule is
to ensure the
competition is fair and is in the field of providing cheaper or better
service instead of
"routing wars".
Membership in CIX does not guarantee obtaining universal connectivity per se;
it merely is a statement of "fair trade practices".
Non-Discriminatory Service Policy:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CIX USA members should not make resale of Internet connectivity a condition for
refusing service or making unreasonable demands. It would not be
unreasonable for
customers to pay different prices as a function of their status, i.e., end
user v. service
provider.
Disputes:
~~~~~~~~~
CIX USA may act as a public arbiter for resolution of member's disputes;
however, CIX's
decisions have no legal binding force and may result only in notices to
member(s) or
terminating membership of a member who is found to willfully violate the CIX
membership rules.
6.2.2 Infrastruture
The CIX will provide an infrastructure that the membership believes is
necessary to
conduct business. Today, this infrastructure includes a router-based
interconnection
point to facilitate multilateral routing.
Appendix B provides a draft multilateral peering agreement that would be in
effect at this
point. CIX will provide any infrastructure services to the membership by
contracting-
out. Appendix A describes in detail the rationale and strategy for
infrastructure.
Other CIX infrastructure services may include
- Route registry, e.g., all CIX members must register
their routes.
- Route Server (in lieu of a CIX router)
- Root Name Server (optional)
- Certification/Audit (Practices)
- Cross Realm Security, Key Distribution
(if a future requirement)
CIX will provide to members technical coordination of this service. CIX
will participate
in the NANOG, IEPG and other operational forums. CIX will examine IETF ISP-
applicable RFCs to assure consistency with commercial requirements.
6.3 Sales/Marketing
6.3.1 Participate in Market/Technology projects, e.g., NII
Issue: There numerous technology demonstration programs, (e.g., National
Information
Infrastructure) which have focused on demonstrating commerciality of
technologies such
as ATM for purposes such as telemedicine. The CIX association should become
involved in the NII for the purpose of including off-the-shelf IP
technology in their
demonstration projects.
6.3.2 Evaluate Electronic Commerce Proposals
6.3.3 ISP Industry Statistics
Industry and market statistics are necessary for members to develop
business plans and
aqcuire financing. The Association will contract with a firm to develop
the following
example statistics:
1) Revenue
2) Forecasts
3) Number of access private lines
4) Aggregate backbone capacity
5) Number of dial ports
6) Rates (dial and private line)
6.3.4 CIX Newsletter
- News Highlights
- Congress and the Administration
- Financial and Corporate
- General
- Global Services
- Network Services and Technologies
- On-Line Services and Technologies
- State-level activities
- Infrastructure
A complete description of the CIX News Letter is provided in Appendix C.
6.4 Financial
For CIX members to obtain financing it will be necessary to have a
comprehensive
understanding of the firm's financial performance. For example, a
business case for
expansion should include parameters such as gross/net/operating margins,
net present
value (exit), ROI, and a description of cash flow. A common, accepted
business case
format may be useful to facilitate financing. A complete description of a
business case
seminar/guidelines is provided in Appendix D.
7.0 CONCLUSION
Like telephony 100 years ago, the Internet Service provider (ISP) industry
is poised for
delivery of services essential to conducting business and enhancing the
quality of life.
The continuance of a healthy, growing ISP industry is dependent upon
maintenance of
global connectivity, afforadble local access, implementable and supportable
technical
standards, applicability to business needs (privacy), unambiguous AUPs, and
cooperation with Government missions. The CIX will work across
legislative/regulatory,
operational, sales/marketing and financial areas to facilitate CIX member
fulfilment of
customer requirements. The CIX will organize to be responsive to local needs within the
framework of global requirements.
Commercial Internet Exchange Association Page 12
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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To: cix-board@cix.org, cix-members@cix.org, apng-commercial@apng.org
Subject: My thoughts on the CIX Draft Strategic Plan for what it's worth..
Gee, the cix-members list sure has been quiet lately. Well, in respect of this
silence, I shall post my opinions on the Strategic Plan out-of-band:
http://www.cogwheel.com/~coggs/private/strat1review.txt
Sorry for the delay, but there was alot there to digest.
..c
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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To: JACKSON%TOKVMAPG@vnet.IBM.COM, E05477%TOKVMIC2@vnet.IBM.COM,
E05477%TOKVMIC2@vnet.IBM.COM, agoston@vnet.IBM.COM, barb@labyrinth.com,
trent@xor.com, jhart@teal.csn.net (John Hart), feline@eskimo.com,
bives@SUN.CIS.SMU.EDU, ho@tech.iupui.edu,
laszlo@alumni.cs.colorado.edu, mpr@HK.Super.NET, huntting@glarp.com,
dcm@HK.Super.NET, apng-commercial@apng.org
Subject: HK Internet provider crack-down.
> (HONG KONG, Friday, March 3, 1995)--The Office of Telecommunications
> Authority (OFTA) in coorperation with the Commercial Crime Bureau
> (CCB) have shut down the following companies in Hong Kong providing
> Internet access: Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services (HKIGS) hk.net
> Hong Kong Link InfoLink Ilink, Internet Online Hong Kong Cybernet
> Internet Connections, Asia Online
>
>Of these Asia Online and HKIGS had most of their equipment taken away
>by the police. An estimated 5000 to 8000 users have been affected.
>An other company, Hong Kong Linkage have volentarily closed.
>
>The only access to the Net is via the Universeties and HK SUPERNET.
>
Sorry, I've been out of town. Having founded HK Supernet, but
now on my own as a consultant still based in HK, I have some
perspective on this..
IMHO, the situation is very simple:
In the very early phase of
researching what it took to set up an ISP here, we found out about
a so-called PNETS license which was required by the government.
This PNETs license was very general in its wording, however it
was clear that we should apply for it.
The application asks for information which basically ensures that the
applicant has the technical and financial competence to deliver a public
service.
The annual fee for the license is less than US$200 per year.
It took probably less than 16 staff hours to complete.
Why the other HK providers choose not to bother with the PNETS license
is something you'll have to take up with them. I'm sure they
have some creative excuses.
Morale of the story 1: find out if your HK ISP has a PNETs license.
Well, there is an easy way to determine this right now.
I think all one has to do is visit HK to understand that all these
events are quite ordinary: Gov't complacency toward law enforcement
followed by full-blown raids. Poor attitudes about compliance with
the law by local business followed by boisterous defiance by those caught
breaking it.. All faithfully amplified by the local
press who often fails to sort the signal from the noise and
provide the very vital critical analysis..
What follows is a refutation of some things I read
in a posting someone forwarded to me: I think these allegations have
come up only because there is a certain amount of 'sour grapes'
amongst the other providers, currently.
HK Supernet did raise a complaint to the government asking why they
didn't enforce the PNETS license. No collusion. No string-pulling.
Any other provider or citizen could have done the same thing.
HK Supernet has not and has never used any monies from inappropriate
sources. Its parent corporation, HK UST R&D Corporation is a
legal entity subject to, and operating under the corporate laws of HK.
HK Supernet is an example of it filling its mission of commercialization
and technology transfer from the HK University of Sci and Tech to
the HK private sector.
--
== Bob Coggeshall == Cogwheel Inc. (Hong Kong) == coggs@hongkong.cogwheel.com
== Internet consulting & product development featuring "Internet Appliances" ==
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From: bcoggs@hq.si.net (Bob Coggeshall)
Subject: 2nd APNIC Meeting
This is to confirm that the APNG-commercial meeting in Hawaii will occur partly
merged with APNIC's meeting. apng-commercial-only topics will be covered in
the morning, with the joint issue of APNIC funding to occur in the afternoon.
APNIC doesn't have a sponsor, so there is a small fee associated with
joint sessions. You should also be prepared to pay US$65 at the door if you
intend to attend the afternoon joint sessions. That fee gets you food
of some sort on Sunday, so far as I am to understand
CALL FOR ACTIVITY REPORTS
As activity reports from commercial entities take up most of apng-commericial's
agenda, reports will be restricted to 10 mins including Q/A. Please let me
know if you intend to make a report. It can be on anything to do with
commerical internetworking in asia. I specifically need a report on what
happened at CIX.
The registration form was sent to apng-all. If you didn't receive it,
let me know, and I'll forward it to you.
Also, apng-commercial will start 1/2 hour early (8:30am).
..c
>Jul 1 Joint APNG Commercial/APNIC Meeting Agenda
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>08:30 APNG Commercial Provider Status/Reports
>
>
>11:30 APNG Commercial Inter meeting reports (CIX, CIXI, etc.)
>
>
>12:00 APNG Commercial Commercial Applications
>
>
>12:30 APNG Commercial End Housekeeping (joint ventures meet
> off-line)
>
>1:00 APNG Commercial Lunch
>
>
>2:30 APNG Commercial/APNIC Introductions
>
>
>2:45 APNG Commercial/APNIC Minutes Review
>
>
>3:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC Agenda Bashing
>
>
>3:15 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Status
>
>
>3:45 APNG Commercial/APNIC Coffee Break
>
>
>4:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Funding Proposal
>
>
>4:15 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Funding Discussions
>
>
>5:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC Adjourn
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jul 2 APNIC Meeting Agenda
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>8:30 APNIC APNIC Sunday Brunch (Hanohano Room)
>
>
>10:00 APNIC Address Allocation Policies
>
>
>11:00 APNIC National NIC Status Reports (20 minutes each)
>
> AUNIC
> JPNIC
> KRNIC
>
>12:00 APNIC Lunch
>
>
>1:30 APNIC Provisional NIC Status Reports (10 min. each)
>
> INNIC
> MYNIC
> NZNIC
> SGNIC
> THNIC
> TWNIC
>
>2:30 APNIC National NIC Requirements
>
>3:00 APNIC FAQ Review
>
>3:30 APNIC Break
>
>4:00 APNIC Miscellaneous (10 min. each)
>
> Confidentiality
> Services
> Joint Projects
> Next Meeting (APRICOT)
> AOB
>
>5:00 APNIC Adjourn
>
>
>
>
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
Message-Id: <199506270353.AA02062@fracas.cogwheel.com>
To: apng-commercial@apng.org
Subject: APNG Beijing Fall 94 meeting draft minutes
We will seek to finalize this draft of the minutes at the apng-commercial
meeting on Saturday in Honolulu. Comments corrections, pls email me
before then
Also, will some reliable person who wants to become famous please
volunteer to record the minutes ? You simply need to take notes and type them
in later.
..c
===
MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1
COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12
BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall
The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting
at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall
(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.
Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.
As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.
The following topics were taken up:
1) APNIC assistance models
2) Country/provider status
3) International leased circuit costs
4) Ap-commercial net presence
5) The travelling businessman plan
6) Housekeeping issues
7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns
1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS
Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is
made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning
He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network
address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table
space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.
Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member
Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications
with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]
in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try
to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group
for review.
Will discuss further by email
2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS
(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between
5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)
1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan
IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in
1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,
Hong Kong, etc.
2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom
SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have
1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,
512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service
soon..
3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)
ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP
and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.
AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.
They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.
4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,
only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.
5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China
Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.
Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts
and Telecommunications.
6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education
There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.
All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,
HINET has 64k to ANS in US.
7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd
now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.
HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,
will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,
1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be
in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging
scheme of HK$288/mo.
8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,
PPP and UUCP services.
9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet
HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.
A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.
6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.
They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.
10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM
Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.
They are free to compete with the MPT.
3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)
Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased
data circuits go to the US because they are almost always
less expensive than links between non US countries. It was
concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements
set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and
without someone expert in such matters, there was not much
that our group could do to change things.
4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE
Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents
were not available in WWW form.
Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.
5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN
Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting
asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking
in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers
through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary
accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.
6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES
In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,
Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the
*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.
Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.
These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the
general meeting.
7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS
Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on
current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its
impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that
CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to
make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.
In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.
This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit
and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)
Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial
providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves
(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also
provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other
global network and backbone operators.
ATTENDEES
matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)
lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom
aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)
ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)
tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)
ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)
hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)
toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet
wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)
liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)
candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)
quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China
ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong
chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK
joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University
hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK
tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)
agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan
aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications
coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.
Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)
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>>>> who apng-commercial
Members of list 'apng-commercial':
almes@ans.net,
rick@uunet.uu.net,
rcollet@icm1.icp.net,
washburn@cix.org,
ikoh@halla.dacom.co.kr,
tommi@solomon.technet.sg,
fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th,
phon@ipied.tu.ac.th,
G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au,
liou@tpts1.seed.net.tw,
rafee@mimos.my,
gihan@cse.mrt.ac.lk,
coggs@HK.Super.NET,
J.Houlker@waikato.ac.nz,
matsumoto%spin.ad.jp@nic.ad.jp,
chehoocheng@cuhk.hk,
akazawa@who.ch,
davidc@iij.ad.jp (Japan, Internet Initiatives Japan),
lim@solomon.technet.sg,
jsq@tic.com (MIDS, John Quarterman),
tho@iscs.nus.sg (Singapore, Nat'l Univ. of Singapore, Thomas I. M. Ho),
apng-sec,
chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr,
"| cat >> /home/ftp/apng/mail.archive/apng-commercial"
netmog@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Masami Ogawa)
Michelle Chiang <michelle@solomon.technet.sg>
Jeff Smith - Bridge To Asia <jasmith@well.sf.ca.us>
Woohyung Choi <whchoi>
lwbbs@shakti.ncst.ernet.in
agoston@vnet.IBM.COM
Barry Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
Lim Gek Meng <gmlim@singnet.com.sg>
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To: apng-all@apng.org
Subject: Re: Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)
Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org
> From: APNG Secretariat <apng-sec@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>
>
> Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes
>
> apng-commercial
>
> See the working group meeting minutes for further information.
Don't look too hard for apng-commercial's. They don't exist yet. I
promise that they will be ready within the next 1,209,600 seconds.
= Bob Coggeshall = Cogwheel Hong Kong = coggs@cogwheel.com = Tel:+852.2358.8263
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Subject: Re: Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)
Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org
> From: APNG Secretariat <apng-sec@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>
>
> Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes
>
> apng-commercial
>
> See the working group meeting minutes for further information.
Don't look too hard for apng-commercial's. They don't exist yet. I
promise that they will be ready within the next 1,209,600 seconds.
= Bob Coggeshall = Cogwheel Hong Kong = coggs@cogwheel.com = Tel:+852.2358.8263
= Fax: +852.2719.3343 = http://www.cogwheel.com/~coggs/coggs.html =============
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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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To: apng-commercial@apng.org
Subject: Date for ap-commercial
Greetings,
The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21
in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )
and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).
The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.
..c
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To: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,
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Subject: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
--------------------------------------------------
APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE
--------------------------------------------------
The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu
in July '95 are now available for review:
http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt
Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for
correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.
---------------------------------------------
APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION
---------------------------------------------
Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30
Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore
442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766
Fax: (65) 733 5482
PROPOSED AGENDA
- Agenda
- Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes
- Country & Other Reports
- ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)
- Operational Issues
- Security Incident
- Routing
- Interexchanges
- Quality of Service
- Intercommunications
- Functional Issues
- Legal Information
- Prosecuting Hackers
- Content Liability
- Education
- Development
- Organizational Issues
- On-line Presence
- Email list
- Binding w/ other orgs
- Future Directions
- Charter
- Elections
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,
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Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
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OK
Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!
Barry
On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu
> in July '95 are now available for review:
>
> http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt
>
> Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for
> correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30
> Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore
> 442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766
> Fax: (65) 733 5482
>
> PROPOSED AGENDA
>
> - Agenda
>
> - Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes
>
> - Country & Other Reports
>
> - ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)
>
> - Operational Issues
>
> - Security Incident
> - Routing
> - Interexchanges
> - Quality of Service
> - Intercommunications
>
> - Functional Issues
>
> - Legal Information
> - Prosecuting Hackers
> - Content Liability
>
> - Education
>
> - Development
>
> - Organizational Issues
>
> - On-line Presence
> - Email list
> - Binding w/ other orgs
> - Future Directions
> - Charter
> - Elections
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
*****************************************************************************
Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice
Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax
Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg
From apng-sec Sat Jan 13 17:56:12 1996
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To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>, apng-commercial@apng.org,
apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net, apricot-info@apricot.net
From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
Since we don't enough time (just 4 hours), I would like to put
Organizational Issues (esp. Charter and related stuffs) before coffee break.
Like right after ISP report while ISP reports be kept to minimum (like 30
minutes)
unless a compelling reason arises.
There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational
Issues and Future directions. So, we may discuss it before coffee break, and
utilize coffee break to settle down on some hot issues.
Jin Ho Hur
At 12:05 PM 96/01/13 +0800, Bob Coggeshall wrote:
>--------------------------------------------------
>APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE
>--------------------------------------------------
>
> The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu
> in July '95 are now available for review:
>
> http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt
>
> Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for
> correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.
>
>---------------------------------------------
>APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION
>---------------------------------------------
>
> Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30
> Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore
> 442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766
> Fax: (65) 733 5482
>
> PROPOSED AGENDA
>
> - Agenda
>
> - Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes
>
> - Country & Other Reports
>
> - ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)
>
> - Operational Issues
>
> - Security Incident
> - Routing
> - Interexchanges
> - Quality of Service
> - Intercommunications
>
> - Functional Issues
>
> - Legal Information
> - Prosecuting Hackers
> - Content Liability
>
> - Education
>
> - Development
>
> - Organizational Issues
>
> - On-line Presence
> - Email list
> - Binding w/ other orgs
> - Future Directions
> - Charter
> - Elections
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
=========================================================================
Jin Ho Hur e-mail: jhhur@inet.co.kr
President & CEO, I*Net Technologies tel: +82-2-538-6941
"Getting Everyone Wired" fax: +82-2-538-6942
=========================================================================
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Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:47 +0800 (SST)
> From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
> To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
> Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
>
> Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!
Because, back in December it was announced:
> Date: Fri Dec 22 13:59:39 1995
> From: coggs
> To: apng-commercial@apng.org
> Subject: Date for ap-commercial
>
> Greetings,
>
> The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21
> in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )
> and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).
>
> The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.
>
> ..c
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To: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900
> From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
>
> There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational
> Issues and Future directions.
Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will
enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is
adequate time for the open-ended stuff.
..c
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To: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900
> From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
>
> There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational
> Issues and Future directions.
Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will
enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is
adequate time for the open-ended stuff.
..c
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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,
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Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
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Hello Bob,
I understand that it was annouced eariler, but that still does not answer
the question of why it is not in the main program?
Barry
On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:47 +0800 (SST)
> > From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
> > To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
> > Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
> >
> > Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!
>
> Because, back in December it was announced:
>
> > Date: Fri Dec 22 13:59:39 1995
> > From: coggs
> > To: apng-commercial@apng.org
> > Subject: Date for ap-commercial
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21
> > in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )
> > and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).
> >
> > The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.
> >
> > ..c
>
*****************************************************************************
Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice
Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax
Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg
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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>
To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>
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Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes
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Hello Bob,
Actually I agree with Jin Ho Hur. Most people are going to know what is
going on in the ISP world after the APRICOT/APOPS/APNIC meetings. It
sounds like that are some serious issues to take care of. Get down to
business and save the marketing for last.
Barry
On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900
> > From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>
> >
> > There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational
> > Issues and Future directions.
>
> Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will
> enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is
> adequate time for the open-ended stuff.
>
> ..c
>
*****************************************************************************
Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice
Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax
Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg
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apricot-oc@apricot.net
This is simply due to the fact that Bob has to leave early (on 21 night or 22).
Haruhisa Ishida ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp
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To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>, apng-commercial@apng.org
From: sfitzger@cix.org (Susan Fitzgerald) (by way of toru@tokyonet.ad.jp (Toru Takahashi))
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As you know, Susan Fitzgerald is attending APRICOT.
We can discuss with her about AP-CIX activity.
Toru Takahashi
--------------------Forward----------------------------------
Hello Toru -
I am also sorry that you will not be able to attend the CIX Member meeting.
CIX will have a representative at the APNG meeting. If it is on Sunday, I
would be able to attend. If the meeting is on Monday or Tuesday, Barb
Dooley or Brian Brown will attend. I look forward to seeing you. Please
come by our booth at the show.
Respectfully,
Susan Fitzgerald
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Dear Gentlemen
I would like you to help me to find out, Korea's Companies who want to have a commercial relatioship with my company in Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.
My Company is a reseller computers one, its name is FI - FRYDMAN INFORMATICA LTDA., so I would like to receive Korean Products Price Lists, related with computers, , in order to allow me to buy, and then sell in Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.
The company address is: Av. 13 de maio, 13 sala 711 - Centro - Rio de Janeiro - Brasil
Thank You
Terezinha Regina Frydman
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