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From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Wed Apr 28 10:22:29 1993

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Subject: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

Please acknowledge the mail.

We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;

Commercial operation of research and education networks

Services to commercial sectors

Let us know if we need to add other members in Asia-Pacific and other

regions.

Kilnam Chon, APCCIRN Chair

PS: The APCCIRN and UNESCO meetings to be held in Seoul in the first week of

June have been postponed to August(during INET'93) and Fall, respectively.

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In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 28 Apr 93 10:27:10 +0700.

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=>

=> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

=> Please acknowledge the mail.

got it.

rafee

malaysia

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From: Guy Almes <almes@ans.net>

To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon)

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Kilnam,

I have received your message and look forward to an

interesting conversation.

-- Guy

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| Advanced Network & Services Fax: (914) 789-5310 |

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From fyta@chula.ac.th Wed Apr 28 20:38:50 1993

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From: "Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay" <fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th>

Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

To: Kilnam Chon <chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>

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On Wed, 28 Apr 1993, Kilnam Chon wrote:

> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

> Please acknowledge the mail.

I got it ok.

> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;

>

> Commercial operation of research and education networks

> Services to commercial sectors

I am just wondering. Since we are a newcomer here in Thailand, what is

the normal practice in some advance countries to convert the "mess" of R&D

networks into a commercial operation?

--Yunyong

Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay

Speaking for THAINET (Thailand Access-to-the-Internet Network)

Centers of Academic Resources Voice: +66 2 218 2925

Chulalongkorn University Fax: +66 2 215 3617

Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th

From rcollet@icm1.icp.net Thu Apr 29 04:50:58 1993

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From: "Robert D. Collet Sprint GSD" <rcollet@icm1.icp.net>

To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon), apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr

Cc: tdunk@icm1.icp.net

Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

Mr. Chon:

This acknowledges receipt of the APCCIRN-commercial mail. Sprint is looking

forward to helping address commercial requirements in the Asia-Pacific region.

Best regards.

Bob

+---------------------------------------------------------+

| Robert D. Collet |

| Principal Investigator, |

| NSFnet International Connections Manager (ICM) |

| Program Manager, SprintLink |

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> To: apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr

> Subject: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

>

> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial

> Operation. Please acknowledge the mail.

>

> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;

>

> Commercial operation of research and education networks

> Services to commercial sectors

>

> Let us know if we need to add other members in Asia-Pacific and other

> regions.

>

> Kilnam Chon, APCCIRN Chair

>

> PS: The APCCIRN and UNESCO meetings to be held in Seoul in the first

> week of June have been postponed to August(during INET'93) and

> Fall, respectively.

>

From tommi@solomon.technet.sg Thu Apr 29 10:15:29 1993

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From: Tommi Chen <tommi@solomon.technet.sg>

Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

To: Kilnam Chon <chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>

Cc: apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr

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> This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

> Please acknowledge the mail.

Got your mail.

>

> We would like to see discussion on the following issues and others;

>

> Commercial operation of research and education networks

> Services to commercial sectors

>

How do we start this - ad hoc discussion of members' queries or through

some agenda?

tommi chen

technet unit

singapore

From gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au Thu Apr 29 10:58:53 1993

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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>

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All,

>This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

>Please acknowledge the mail.

this is an acknowledgement of the note.

Thanks,

Geoff Huston

AARNet

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 09:44:34 +22300238 ()

From: Morragot Chiwaganont <phon@nwg.nectec.or.th>

Subject: Re: first mail to the apccirn-commercial mailing list

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On Wed, 28 Apr 1993, Mohd Rafee Yusoff wrote:

> =>

> => This is the first mail to the APCCIRN work item on Commercial Operation.

> => Please acknowledge the mail.

>

> got it.

>

> rafee

> malaysia

I got it today!

Morragot (phon@nwg.nectec.or.th)

From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Apr 30 13:00:23 1993

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Subject: commercial operations and next APCCIRN meetings

We scheduled the half to one day for the commercial operation during the coming APCCIRN meeting, but the meeting was rescheduled to San Francisco with less

amount of time.

I would like to see presentation of relevant US CIX members at the next APCCIRN

Meeting in San Francisco, and the regional commercial operators' presentation

at the December APCCIRN Meeting. The candidates are as follows;

US CIX Members:

ANS

Sprint

Alternet

JvNCnet

CERFnet

MAE-East(?)

Asia-Pacific:

Australia

India

Japan

Korea

Malaysia

Singapore

Taiwan


Meantime, our email discussion may raise issues to be further discussed in

the face-to-face meeting.

Let me know on your idea and comments on what directions we should target for

this group.

From washburn@cix.org Fri Apr 30 20:39:41 1993

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To: chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (Kilnam Chon)

From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director)

Subject: Re: commercial operations and next APCCIRN meetings

Cc: apccirn-commercial@nic.nm.kr

I would assume that you should also consider BARRnet, NEARnet, and

NorthWestNet as candidates given their CIX memberships. On the other hand,

ANS is not a CIX member. We also anticipate a new member of CIX coming

aboard from Hong Kong. Bill W.

>We scheduled the half to one day for the commercial operation during the

>coming APCCIRN meeting, but the meeting was rescheduled to San Francisco with

>less

>amount of time.

>

>I would like to see presentation of relevant US CIX members at the next

>APCCIRN

>Meeting in San Francisco, and the regional commercial operators' presentation

>at the December APCCIRN Meeting. The candidates are as follows;

>

>US CIX Members:

> ANS

> Sprint

> Alternet

> JvNCnet

> CERFnet

> MAE-East(?)

>

>Asia-Pacific:

> Australia

> India

> Japan

> Korea

> Malaysia

> Singapore

> Taiwan

>

>Meantime, our email discussion may raise issues to be further discussed in

>the face-to-face meeting.

>

>Let me know on your idea and comments on what directions we should target for

>this group.

Bill Washburn <washburn@cix.org>

Executive Director--Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) Assoc.

(303)482-2150

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Subject: presentation in August

i originally thought of the presentation by commercial/general service

providers who have direct cooperation with members of APCCIRN, which are

as follows;

ANS, Sprint, Alternet, JvNCnet, CERFnet, and (CIX)

By adding a few more (NEARnet, Northwestnet, BARRNet), we can have full house

as some of you suggested. Then, things look like that it is better to move

the stage to CCIRN rather than APCCIRN. APCCIRN Meeting will be on 20 and 21,

and CCIRN Meeting will be on 23-25.

Shall we push for the full house presentation at CCIRN, or the original

subset presentation at APCCIRN?

kilnam chon

From chon%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr Wed Jun 9 10:49:44 1993

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Subject: presentation on commercial operation

we will have presentation on commercial operation at the next APCCIRN Meeting.

Since the meeting will be held in USA, we would like to focus on the US

commercial/general service providers, in particular the providers who are

relevant to us. the currently, ANS and Sprint as well as CIX are expected to

make the presentation. we have some more time slot, and would like to hear

if we need to have presentations from other organizations.

chon

PS: who may present CIX at the next APCCIRN meeting?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

APCCIRN-024

1993.6.01

Kilnam Chon

Agenda of APCCIRN Meeting in 1993.8.20-21(Fourth Draft)

Date: 8.20(Friday) 13:30 - 18:00

8.21(Sataurday) 8:30 - 13:00

Room: Sea Cliff C, Hyatt Regency, San Francisco

1. Welcome/Approval of Ageda Chair

2. Minutes Honolulu Meeting Secretariat APCCIRN-021

3. Past Meeting Reports

(a) CCIRN Chair APCCIRN-025

(b) IEPG Murai

(c) ISOC(IETF, IESG, IAB, BoT)

4. APCCIRN Document Update Secretariat

Country File APCCIRN-005

Link Database APCCIRN-007

5. Commercial Operations

(a) General/Commercial Service Providers

CIX(overview) CIX APCCIRN-026

ANS Guy Almes

Sprint Bob Collett

others(Alternet, CERFnet, MFS, ATT)

(b) Country Report on Commercial Operations

Australia G. Huston(?)

Japan J. Murai(?)

Korea M. Huh/I.K. Oh

Malaysia M. Lah(?)

Singapore T. Chen

Taiwan A. Liou

others

(c) Issues

Coordination among commercial operators

Coordination between R&E community and commercial operators

others

6. Work Items

(a) APNIC M. Hirabaru

(b) Internationalization M. Ohta

(c) Developing Countries ?

(d) Regional Conference ?

(e) Organizational Issues ?

(f) others

7. Meeting/Project Report

(a) APCCIRN(?, 93.12/94.1) Chair

(b) CCIRN(Bodega Bay, 93.8.23-25) Chair

(c) IEPG(") Murai

(d) IETF

(e) INET Ishida

(f) UNESCO Workshop on Harmonization Kingston

(g) JWCC

(h) PNC Hardyck

(i) RINSEAP

(j) PACCOM

(k) others

8. AOB

From chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Fri Sep 10 13:43:04 1993

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Subject: commercial/general service providers in asia-pacific

we had presentations of some of relevant US service providers at the apccirn

meeting last month. as we concluded at the meeting, we will have extensive

discussions at the next apccirn meeting in taipei in 1993.12.10-11 including

presentations of general/commercial service providers in asia-pacific.

do you know who and which network should make the presentations?

see the attached list to start with.

kilnam chon

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

1993.9.3

Kilnam Chon

List of Commercial/General Service Providers

--------------------------------------------

Australia

Hong Kong Supernet Bob Coggeshall coggs@cs.ust.hk

India Softnet

Japan ATT Jens T. Matsumoto matsumoto.spin.ad.jp

IIJ

Korea (Dacom)

(KT)

Malaysia (MIMOS)

New Zealand

Singapore Technet

Taiwan SEEDNET

Thailand (NECTEC)

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From: Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@HK.Super.NET>

Message-Id: <199309240453.AA17295@hk.super.net>

To: shen@cs.ust.hk, ttgwong@usthk.ust.hk, ttchan@usthk.ust.hk,

cclaw@usthk.ust.hk, ops@HK.Super.NET

Subject: Commercial Internetworking in Japan..

Cc: ap-commercial@nic.nm.kr, rgilfill@bem2a02.attmail.com,

debra@attihk.attmail.com

> >115 (of 121) AJP Sep. 18, 1993 at 14:11 JST (1185 characters)

> >

> >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 00:55:27 +0900

> >From: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs@intercon.com>

> >

> >After over a year of planning and work, commercial TCP/IP service

> >in Japan is at last available! At approximately 20:00 JST (11:00 GMT)

> >on 17 September 1993, this new era of global connectivity was

> >ushered in with the turnup of the first transpacific commercial

> >Internet link.

> >

> >InterCon International KK (IIKK) and AT&T Jens Corporation are

> >strategic partners in developing commercial Internet service in Japan

> >and the Pacific Rim. We are pleased to announce our respective new

> >services which offer IP connectivity to any organization in Japan

> >without regard to research or educational affiliation, and without

> >burdensome Appropriate Use Policies (AUPs). We at Jens and IIKK

> >extend our appreciation to our US partners: AT&T (US), Performance

> >Systems International, and InterCon Systems Corporation for their

> >help in making commercial TCP/IP service a reality in Japan.

> >

> >For more information on commercial Internet connectivity in Japan,

> >send an inquiry via electronic mail to iikk@nic.inter.net or

> >attjens@nic.inter.net.

Note: HK Supernet is also getting their connection through AT&T and PSI.

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Subject: commercial/general service providers at the Taipei meeting

To: rjb@iikk.inter.net, hiro-f@iij.ad.jp, jysong@ring.kotel.co.kr,

ikoh@halla.dacom.co.kr, tommi@solomon.technet.sg,

ckfan@tpts1.seed.net.tw

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APCCIRN will have a session on Commercial/General Service Providers

at the Taipei meeting (please refer to agenda item #5 in APCCIRN-036).

Currently following persons are expected to have presentations:

B. Coggeshall (Hong Kong Supernet)

T. Matsumoto (ATT Jens/Spin Project)

Please let me know if more commercial/general service providers will

have presentations, including:

Japan (IIKK, IIJ)

Korea (HANAnet, Dacom)

Singapore (Technet)

Taiwan

Others

Please reply by November 16. In case you are unable to attend the meeting,

you may submit a paper / presentation material instead.

Thank you,

--

Taeha Park (APCCIRN Secretariat)

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For your information

-- taeha

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 09:13:50 EST

From: RITIM <ritim%URIACC.URI.EDU@IBM3090.snu.ac.kr>

Subject: INTERNETcom '94

To: Multiple recipients of list RITIM-L <RITIM-L@URIACC.BITNET>

This Announcement is being cross posted from Telecom Digest (don't worry

its not a trend ;-) )

***************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:52:11 -0500

From: Matthew Lucas <matt@telestrat.com>

Subject: TeleStrategies Conference Announcement

INTERNETcom '94

An Internet Commercialization Conference and Exposition

Washington, DC March 21-23, 1994

*How to Market and Sell to 20 Million Internet Users

*Entrepreneurial Opportunities Created by New

Internet Policies

*Leveraging Internet For a Competitive Advantage

Tuesday, March 22, 1994

8:30-9:00 Registration

9:00-10:30

OVERVIEW

Commercial traffic on the Internet is rapidly increasing. What is

driving this growth? Where will new markets emerge? How large will

they be? Who are the current and potential players? What business

opportunities are being created? What commercial uses of the Internet

are emerging? How will today's Internet culture change? What

challenges must be met as commercialization efforts move forward? What

is the role of the National Science Foundation?

Gordon Cook, President, Cook Network Consultants

Anthony Rutkowski, Vice President, Internet Society

Bill Washburn, Executive Director

Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX)

10:30-11:00 Coffee Break

11:00-12:00

SECURITY ISSUES

Security is still a critical issue for anyone who wants to do business

on the Internet. The speaker will address the threats, concerns and

countermeasures that are important and discuss what security policies

and procedures need to be established.

Stephen Crocker, Vice President

Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

12:00-1:30 Hosted Lunch and Exhibits

1:30-3:30

DESIGN AND DELIVERY OF INFORMATION SERVICES

What does it take to design and deliver a successful information

service? Who will the customers be, what do they want and how much

will they pay? What impact will commercialization efforts have on the

information service industry? What challenges lie ahead, including

copyright and licensing issues? What business strategies should the

information industry adopt?

Jeff Crigler, Director, Business Information Services

Mead Data Central

Isabella Hinds, Manager, Professional Relations

Copyright Clearance Center

Robert Raisch, President, The Internet Company

Richard Vancil, Vice President, Marketing, Individual Inc.

3:30-4:00 Coffee Break and Exhibits

4:00-4:30

HOW TO ADVERTISE EFFECTIVELY

How can effective, nonintrusive advertising be accomplished on the

Internet? What features of the Internet culture and etiquette are

important to understand in order to be successful?

Judith Axler Turner, a head of the working group on advertising

for the Coalition for Networked Information

4:30-5:30

USING THE INTERNET FOR A COMPETITIVE EDGE

How can business owners enhance their operations by using the Internet

not only to offer a variety of information and document delivery

services, but also to market and sell? The speakers will discuss the

lessons learned in implementing and using Internet connectivity and

explain how to identify business costs.

Chris Vandenburg, Internetworking Product Manager

Rockwell International

Speaker to be Announced

5:30-6:30 Reception and Exhibits

Wednesday, March 23, 1994

8:30-9:15

INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS

What opportunities exist for providing Internet access? What will be

driving growth over the next few years? What range of services can be

provided? What are end users looking for? What does it take to be

successful?

Michael Ballard, Chief Operating Officer, UUNET

Speaker to be Announced

9:15-10:00

NAVIGATION TOOLS

What are the primary challenges to navigating on the Internet and

what tools are currently available?

Bruce Antelman, President, Information Express

Kevin Oliveau, Engineer, WAIS, Inc.

10:00-10:30 Coffee Break and Exhibits

10:30-11:30

BILLING AND SETTLEMENT ISSUES

The speakers will address the following topics: billing/accounting

issues and Internet service provisioning; cost and rate structures;

billing options available to information service providers; and an

update on billing-related activities of the Internet Engineering

Task Force.

Taso Devetzis, Member Technical Staff, Bellcore

Bob Doyle, Director, Marketing, Sprint

11:30-11:45 Coffee Break

11:45-12:30

INTERNET ACCESS VIA CABLE TV

Cable companies are looking at advanced communications uses for

today's cable TV systems. One such use is remote high-speed access.

The speakers will describe a cable-based access method and provide an

update on cable/Internet trials, including a distance education

project.

Gordon Cook, President, Cook Network Consultants - MODERATOR

James Ginsburg, Senior Information Officer, Jones Intercable, Inc.

Ed Moura, Vice President, Marketing and Sales

Hybrid Networks, Inc.

Pre-Conference Tutorial

UNDERSTANDING INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES

FOR NON-ENGINEERS AND STRATEGIC PLANNERS

by Dr. Jerry Lucas and Invited Faculty

Monday, March 21, 1994 * 9:00a.m. to 5:00p.m.

This one-day tutorial is for the non-engineer, strategic planner,

entrepreneur or anyone who has to understand the Internet in order to

make business decisions about emerging commercial opportunities. This

tutorial covers not only Internet technologies, economics and

leading-edge opportunities, but also looks at operational issues such

as addressing, network management and security from a business

development perspective.

1. INTERNET OVERVIEW: What is the Internet? Who controls it? What can

you do with it? Who pays for it? Who are the players domestically and

internationally? What is the role of the NII and NREN? Why are the

RBOCs, cable TV companies, IXCs and PDA vendors interested in

Internet? Why all the attention to commercialization?

2. INTERNET ACCESS, NAVIGATION AND APPLICATIONS: How to find, share

and sell information on the Internet. The basic application tools and

navigation/search systems (FTP, TELNET, ARCHIE, GOPHER, WWW, WAIS,

etc.). Access service providers (CIX, PSI, Sprint and others). Access

options (dial-up, dedicated, frame relay, cable TV and wireless). New

entrepreneurial developments.

3. INTERNET ADDRESSING: IP addressing. How to obtain addresses (Class

A,B,and C). CIDR, Internet DNS and how to register. Setting up an

E-mail server, bulletin board and directory service. New business

opportunities.

4. INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES: Role of TCP/IP. MAC vs. PC products. LAN

access (SLIP, PPP, frame relay, etc.) and WAN and ATM developments.

IPX, DECNET and APPLETALK. Leading edge vendors and where their

products are headed.

5. INTERNET MANAGEMENT AND SECURITY: Managing a commercial Internet

service. SNMP management tools and products. Security concerns,

encryption, authentication and Clipper Chip issues. Other operational

concerns related to doing business on the Internet.

WORKSHOP TRACK

Monday, March 21, 1994

9:00-12:30

INTRODUCTION TO THE INTERNET

What is the Internet? How does it work? How can it help me? How much

does it cost to use? What are the rules and policies that govern the

Internet?

GETTING CONNECTED

What does it take to get connected to the Internet? What choices are

available? How much does it cost to get connected? What should I look

for in a service provider? What problems can I expect and how can they

be solved?

2:00-5:00

INFORMATION ACCESS AND DELIVERY

How can I find out what electronic information is available on the

Internet? Specifically, what information, catalogs, textual documents

and databases are available and how can they be accessed?

Tuesday, March 22, 1994

9:00-12:00

NAVIGATING THE INTERNET

What tools are available for navigating through the Internet and

searching for information? What are the advantages and disadvantages

of each of these techniques? What is the outlook for the future?

2:00-5:00

ACCESS AND MANAGEMENT ISSUES

Once your organization has been connected to the Internet, who should

have access? What guidelines and policies should be set to maximize

the benefits for everyone? What management and training issues will

arise in this new environment?

RAISING VENTURE CAPITAL FOR INTERNET ENTREPRENEURS

What are venture capitalists looking for when they want to invest?

How should you structure your business plan to make it attractive to

investors?

Wednesday, March 23, 1994

9:00-12:00

GOVERNMENT INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET

What electronic information resources developed by and about the

government are available on the Internet?

DEMONSTRATIONS / EXHIBITS

Live Demonstrations of:

* Navigating Tools - Online Services

* Internet-based Commercial Applications

* Internet Access via Cable TV

* Fax-on-Demand

Exhibit Hours:

Monday, March 21, 1994 12:00PM-7:00PM

Tuesday, March 22, 1994 10:00AM-7:00PM

Wednesday, March 23, 1994 10:00AM-2:00PM

-----------------------------------------------------

CONFERENCE HOTEL: The conference will be held at the SHERATON

CRYSTAL CITY HOTEL 1800 Jefferson Davis Highway, Arlington, VA

22202, (703) 486-1111.

CONFERENCE HOURS: Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. on Monday and

Tuesday. Session hours are 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on Monday; 9:00

a.m. to 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday; and 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. on

Wednesday, March 23.

FOR MORE INFORMATION OR IMMEDIATE REGISTRATION

CALL TELESTRATEGIES AT 703-734-7050

For exhibit information call JACKIE McGUIGAN at (703) 734-7050.

David J. Cordeiro

The Research Institute for

Telecommunications and Information Marketing (RITIM)

College of Business Administration

The University of Rhode Island

Kingston, RI 02881-0802 (USA)

Tel: 1-401-792-5065

Fax: 1-401-792-4312

E-mail: RITIM@URIACC.URI.EDU

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To: ap-commercial@krnic.net

Subject: ap-commercial BoF at Networld/Interop Thursday, June 28 6.30pm

If you will be At InterOp/Networld in Tokyo this week...

AP-COMMERCIAL BOF AT NETWORLD/INTEROP THURSDAY, JUNE 28 6.30PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Asia Pacific Networking Group (APNG) AP-Commercial interest group is

a forum for discussing the direction of and issues unique to, commercial

internetwork service providers in the region. Our charter is driven by

the participants. Possible topics include our role as information

clearing house, sharing our experience with developing countries

(especially about dealing with government and PTT regulations), Our

high-cost international private leased circuits. The hope is to

promote an atmosphere which encourages openess while at the same

time maintaing a freely competitve environment.

ALL ARE WELCOME !

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From: Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@hongkong.super.net>

Message-Id: <199409280143.AA04170@lamtin.hk.super.net>

To: apng-commercial@krnic.net

Subject: apng-commercial agenda for Beijing meeting..

Greetings all,

I am the coordinator for the apng-commercial interest group. If you plan

to attend the ap-commercial portion of the apng meeting in Beijing Nov28&29.

Please help by suggeting topics that should be discussed.

Here's what we have so far:

- Country status

- Provider status

- CIX and AP-CIX consideration

- INET '95 commercial session

* apng / apnic assistance models

* small / developing provider participation

* net.presence: (reports, FAQs, hypertext links, etc)

Let's get as much detail together prior to the meeting so it can

be really productive.

..c

== Bob Coggeshall == Cogwheel Inc. (Hong Kong) == coggs@hongkong.cogwheel.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:07:48 PDT

From: barry@singnet.com.sg

Subject: RE: apng-commercial agenda for Beijing meeting..

To: apng-commercial@krnic.net,

Bob Coggeshall <Bob.Coggeshall@hongkong.super.net>

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Hi Bob,

>Here's what we have so far:

>

> - Country status

> - Provider status

> - CIX and AP-CIX consideration

> - INET '95 commercial session

>

> * apng / apnic assistance models

> * small / developing provider participation

> * net.presence: (reports, FAQs, hypertext links, etc)

>

How about:

- Cost (International Lease Circuit) ILC cost.

- AP WWW Commercial Infrastructure

Also, AP-CIX and CIX are models that really will not work in the AP region

becuase of the ILC costs. I think a more benefitial discussion would be on

how to create an envrionment that will promote bi-laterial interconnects

between ISPs in the region.

Thoughts?

Barry Raveendran Greene

SingNet

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To: ap-commercial@krnic.net

Subject: CIX filtering

Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:35:01 +0900

From: David R Conrad <davidc@iij.ad.jp>

FYI...

Regards,

-drc

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:25:58 -0500

From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>

To: com-priv@psi.com

cc: cix-members@cix.org

Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision

The following was distributed to CIX members earlier today. The CIX Board

would appreciate the further propagation of this correspondence to assure all

potentially impacted parties have timely notice.

Thanks

Bob Collet for the CIX Board

- ------ Forwarded Message

Message-Id: <9411011531.AA41072@Bob Collet>

Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:31:41 -0500

>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>

To: cix-members@cix.org

Cc: cix-board@cix.org, 0004704319@mcimail.com, lscanlan@cix.org,

rcollet@sprint.net

Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision

TO: CIX Members

CC: Ron Plesser

FROM: Bob Collet on Behalf of the Board

SUBJECT: CIX FILTERING OF NON CIX MEMBER ROUTES TO BEGIN NOV 15.

After careful consideration of membership and legal input from Ron Plesser,

CIX Counsel, the CIX Board has reaffirmed its decision to filter-out the

routes of non members. The guiding principle of this decision is that of

fairness to the members who are paying for the service of route

advertisement. Consequently, non-CIX member routes will be filtered at the

CIX router begining November 15, 1994. Pending members whose applications

are in process as of November 15 will not be filtered, and they will have

through the end of 1994 to complete payment.

Networks that are 51% owned by another service provider who is a CIX member

need not acquire membership.

Filtering will initially be performed at the Autonomous System level. Since

many non member routes are within member Automous Systems, the CIX will

subsequently filter individual routes. The CIX will contact the appropriate

AS prior to the establishment of filtering to assure proper filtering.

Several CIX members are now privately interconnected at MAE-East, and

soon at the NSF-sponsored NAPs and via PacBell/Bell Atlantic SMDS networks.

These high performance interconnections are not within the framework of the

CIX and are consequently not impacted by the CIX-router filtering. Peering

at these interconnection points will be governed by private, bilateral

agreements. Given the inherent scaling limitations of the CIX router-based

interconnection point, the board recommends members interconnect via the

above alternatives.

The board regrets any inconvenience caused by the delay in confirming the

filtering decision.

We are endeavoring to complete correspondence regarding the issues of:

- Increase in board size from 5 to 7 members

- Vendor operation of CIX router

- Executive Director search status

- Membership survey results

We also regret the delay in the completion of these items.

Bob Collet for the Board

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

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To: apng-commercial@krnic.net

Subject: Recent decisions at the CIX for your information..

>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>

>To: cix-members@cix.org

>Cc: cix-board@cix.org, 0004704319@mcimail.com, lscanlan@cix.org,

> rcollet@sprint.net

>Subject: CIX Route Filtering Decision

>Sender: cix-members-owner@cix.org

TO: CIX Members

CC: Ron Plesser

FROM: Bob Collet on Behalf of the Board

SUBJECT: CIX FILTERING OF NON CIX MEMBER ROUTES TO BEGIN NOV 15.

After careful consideration of membership and legal input from Ron Plesser,

CIX Counsel, the CIX Board has reaffirmed its decision to filter-out the

routes of non members. The guiding principle of this decision is that of

fairness to the members who are paying for the service of route

advertisement. Consequently, non-CIX member routes will be filtered at the

CIX router begining November 15, 1994. Pending members whose applications

are in process as of November 15 will not be filtered, and they will have

through the end of 1994 to complete payment.

Networks that are 51% owned by another service provider who is a CIX member

need not acquire membership.

Filtering will initially be performed at the Autonomous System level. Since

many non member routes are within member Automous Systems, the CIX will

subsequently filter individual routes. The CIX will contact the appropriate

AS prior to the establishment of filtering to assure proper filtering.

Several CIX members are now privately interconnected at MAE-East, and

soon at the NSF-sponsored NAPs and via PacBell/Bell Atlantic SMDS networks.

These high performance interconnections are not within the framework of the

CIX and are consequently not impacted by the CIX-router filtering. Peering

at these interconnection points will be governed by private, bilateral

agreements. Given the inherent scaling limitations of the CIX router-based

interconnection point, the board recommends members interconnect via the

above alternatives.

The board regrets any inconvenience caused by the delay in confirming the

filtering decision.

We are endeavoring to complete correspondence regarding the issues of:

- Increase in board size from 5 to 7 members

- Vendor operation of CIX router

- Executive Director search status

- Membership survey results

We also regret the delay in the completion of these items.

Bob Collet for the Board

>From cix-members-owner@cix.org Thu Nov 3 09:11:25 1994

>Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:11:26 -0500

>From: Bob Collet <rcollet@sprint.net>

>To: cix-members@cix.org

>Cc: cix-board@cix.org, rcollet@sprint.net

>Subject: PROPOSED CIX ROUTING SERVICE CHANGES

>Sender: cix-members-owner@cix.org

>Precedence: bulk

TO: CIX MEMBERS

FROM: Bob Collet on behalf of the CIX Board

SUBJECT: PROPOSED CIX ROUTING SERVICE CHANGES

The CIX Board is proposing a two phased, sequential changes to the CIX

routing service:

1) CIX Router Management by a non CIX Member

A key concern expressed at the CIX Membership Meeting was CIX router

management contract performance by a CIX member. Consequently, the Board

proposes to contract-out this function to a firm who is a not a CIX member.

The Board would like to thank PSI for the establishment and operation of the

CIX router.

2) Decommissioning of the CIX Router

In response to service performance demands including throughput and physical

diversity, the CIX Board proposes decommissioning the CIX router in

favor of pairwise peering over link-level networks, e.g., LEC SMDS, MFS FDDI,

etc.

The CIX would provide a model bilateral agreement and database any

agreements the participants desire to make publically available. The CIX

Board believes that the marginal benefit of the CIX router is minimal or non

existent given the richness of existing and planning interconnectivity among

National (and global) Service Providers (NSPs). It is anticipated the

vigorous competition among NSPs will yield cost-effective global connectivity

to the local Internet Service Providers (ISPs) if they do not wish to

interconnect with all NSPs at high performance interconnection points.

The termination of routing services will enable the CIX to concentrate on

business issues instead of router operational issues. The CIX Board will

soon provide a set of proposed initiatives.

If the membership agrees, the CIX Board anticipates decommissioning the CIX

router by end 1Q95 to provide adequate notice for those ISPs who obtain their

connectivity to commercial networks via a direct connection to the CIX router

(in Santa Clara).

As a manifistation of this proposal, several CIX members will be

interconnecting via PacBell SMDS at a rate of 34 Mbps. This arrangement

provides throughput capability not achievable via the current CIX router

configuration. Furthermore, this arrangement eliminates the need for an

independent entity to manage the routing/filtering as this is privately

managed through private, bilateral agreements.

CIX-member input into these two proposals is solicited.

Please advise.

Bob Collet for the CIX Board

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To: apng-sec@apng.org

Subject: apng-commercial beijing minutes draft

Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org,

lkong@singnet.com.sg (Ong Lai Keun - Singapore Telecom),

aki@web.ad.jp (Akiya Tashiro - Fujitsu Japan),

yusuzuki@secom-sis.co.jp (Yuichi Suzuki - Secom Information Systems Japan),

tojo@surigiken.co.jp (Tojo Iwao - Surigiken Co., Ltd Japan),

ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Haruhisa Ishida - University of Tokyo),

hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn (Hu Daoyuan - Tsinghua University),

wendylin@HK.Super.NET (Lin Wen - Hong Kong Supernet),

candy@moersc.edu.tw (Erin Chen - TWNIC/MOE Taiwan),

Quan-Ming@Sprint.Sprint.COM (Ben Chen - Sprint China),

cccykwok@citu.edu.hk (C.Y. Kwok - City University of Hong Kong),

joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk (Joseph Leung - HK Baptist University),

hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk (P.T. Ho University of HK),

aaron@hklink.net (Aaron Cheung - Hong Kong Link),

Kilnam Chon <chon@prosit.stanford.edu>, pindar@HK.Super.NET

Sorry for the delay in getting this out. I've only just gotten back

home from 1 month on the road. ..c

Those who were at the meeting, please check for correctness

clarity and email me revisions.

thanks

..c

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MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1

COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12

BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall

The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting

at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall

(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.

Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.

As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.

The following topics were taken up:

1) APNIC assistance models

2) Country/provider status

3) International leased circuit costs

4) Ap-commercial net presence

5) The travelling businessman plan

6) Housekeeping issues

7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns

1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS

Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is

made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning

He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network

address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table

space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.

Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member

Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications

with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]

in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try

to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group

for review.

Will discuss further by email

2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS

(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between

5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)

1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan

IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in

1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,

Hong Kong, etc.

2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom

SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have

1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,

512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service

soon..

3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)

ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP

and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.

AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.

They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.

4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,

only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.

5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China

Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.

Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts

and Telecommunications.

6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education

There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.

All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,

HINET has 64k to ANS in US.

7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd

now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.

HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,

will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,

1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be

in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging

scheme of HK$288/mo.

8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,

PPP and UUCP services.

9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet

HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.

A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.

6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.

They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.

10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM

Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.

They are free to compete with the MPT.

3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)

Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased

data circuits go to the US because they are almost always

less expensive than links between non US countries. It was

concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements

set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and

without someone expert in such matters, there was not much

that our group could do to change things.

4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE

Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents

were not available in WWW form.

Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.

5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN

Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting

asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking

in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers

through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary

accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.

6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES

In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,

Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the

*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.

Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.

These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the

general meeting.

7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS

Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on

current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its

impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that

CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to

make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.

In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.

This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit

and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)

Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial

providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves

(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also

provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other

global network and backbone operators.

ATTENDEES

matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)

lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom

aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)

ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)

tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)

ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)

hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)

toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet

wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)

liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)

candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)

quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China

ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong

chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK

joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University

hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK

tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)

agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan

aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications

coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.

Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

Message-Id: <199501120751.AA01820@fracas.cogwheel.com>

To: apng-sec@apng.org

Subject: apng-commercial beijing minutes draft

Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org,

lkong@singnet.com.sg (Ong Lai Keun - Singapore Telecom),

aki@web.ad.jp (Akiya Tashiro - Fujitsu Japan),

yusuzuki@secom-sis.co.jp (Yuichi Suzuki - Secom Information Systems Japan),

tojo@surigiken.co.jp (Tojo Iwao - Surigiken Co., Ltd Japan),

ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Haruhisa Ishida - University of Tokyo),

hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn (Hu Daoyuan - Tsinghua University),

wendylin@HK.Super.NET (Lin Wen - Hong Kong Supernet),

candy@moersc.edu.tw (Erin Chen - TWNIC/MOE Taiwan),

Quan-Ming@Sprint.Sprint.COM (Ben Chen - Sprint China),

cccykwok@citu.edu.hk (C.Y. Kwok - City University of Hong Kong),

joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk (Joseph Leung - HK Baptist University),

hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk (P.T. Ho University of HK),

aaron@hklink.net (Aaron Cheung - Hong Kong Link),

Kilnam Chon <chon@prosit.stanford.edu>, pindar@HK.Super.NET

Sorry for the delay in getting this out. I've only just gotten back

home from 1 month on the road. ..c

Those who were at the meeting, please check for correctness

clarity and email me revisions.

thanks

..c

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MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1

COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12

BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall

The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting

at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall

(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.

Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.

As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.

The following topics were taken up:

1) APNIC assistance models

2) Country/provider status

3) International leased circuit costs

4) Ap-commercial net presence

5) The travelling businessman plan

6) Housekeeping issues

7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns

1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS

Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is

made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning

He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network

address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table

space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.

Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member

Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications

with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]

in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try

to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group

for review.

Will discuss further by email

2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS

(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between

5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)

1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan

IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in

1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,

Hong Kong, etc.

2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom

SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have

1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,

512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service

soon..

3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)

ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP

and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.

AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.

They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.

4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,

only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.

5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China

Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.

Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts

and Telecommunications.

6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education

There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.

All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,

HINET has 64k to ANS in US.

7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd

now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.

HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,

will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,

1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be

in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging

scheme of HK$288/mo.

8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,

PPP and UUCP services.

9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet

HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.

A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.

6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.

They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.

10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM

Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.

They are free to compete with the MPT.

3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)

Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased

data circuits go to the US because they are almost always

less expensive than links between non US countries. It was

concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements

set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and

without someone expert in such matters, there was not much

that our group could do to change things.

4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE

Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents

were not available in WWW form.

Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.

5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN

Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting

asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking

in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers

through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary

accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.

6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES

In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,

Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the

*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.

Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.

These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the

general meeting.

7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS

Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on

current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its

impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that

CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to

make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.

In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.

This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit

and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)

Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial

providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves

(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also

provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other

global network and backbone operators.

ATTENDEES

matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)

lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom

aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)

ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)

tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)

ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)

hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)

toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet

wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)

liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)

candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)

quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China

ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong

chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK

joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University

hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK

tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)

agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan

aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications

coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.

Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:52:14 +0800

From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

Message-Id: <199502090152.AA00842@fracas.cogwheel.com>

To: apng-commercial@apng.org

Subject: CIX Draft Strategic Plan

CIX announced their much ballyhooed 'Strategic Plan' a while back.

I have received permission to share it with you all.

Note especially their notion of a international version of

CIX called `CIXI'.

Sorry about the formatting. That's they way it came.

..c

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COMMERCIAL INTERNET

EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION

STRATEGIC PLAN

DRAFT

1/24/95

CIX STRATEGIC PLAN

DRAFT

TABLE OF CONTENTS

1.0 INTRODUCTION 3

2.0 CIX MISSION 3

3.0 MEMBERSHIP 3

4.0 CIX ORGANIZATION 3

4.1 CIX International 3

4.2 National CIX Chapters 4

4.2.1 USA Chapter 4

5.0 RULES OF CONDUCT 4

6.0 ASSOCIATION SERVICES 5

6.1 Regulatory &

Legislative.................................................................

....................6

6.1.1 Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) Status 6

6.1.2 Minimizing Competition from Federal and State Networks 6

6.1.3 Ammending Telemedicine/FDA Law to Support Interstate 6

6.1.4 Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service Definition 7

6.1.5 Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA) Features for ISPs 7

6.1.6 Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture Features for ISPs 8

6.1.7 Assurance of Privacy 8

6.1.8 Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT) 8

6.1.9 Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless Standards/Regulations 9

6.2 Operational/Connectivity

6.2.1 Universal Connectivity Policy: 9

6.2.2 Infrastruture 10

6.3 Sales/Marketing 10

6.3.1 Participate in Market/Technology projects, e.g., NII 10

6.3.2 Evaluate Electronic Commerce Proposals 11

6.3.3 ISP Industry Statistics 11

6.3.4 CIX Newsletter 11

6.4 Financial 11

7.0 CONCLUSION 12

1.0 INTRODUCTION

This document describes the Strategic Plan of the CIX. Mission,

organizational structure,

rules of conduct by association members, and association services are

discussed.

2.0 CIX MISSION

The goals of CIX are to facilitate global connectivity among commercial

Internet Service

Providers (ISPs) throughout the world, encourage commercial use of the

Internet and

foster fair and open environments for Internet commercialization (in standards,

international law, etc), and provide a forum for the exchange of

experiences and ideas to

enhance the vitality of the ISP industry.

3.0 MEMBERSHIP

Membership is open and falls in three categories: Platinum - Participating

Members,

Gold - Associate Members and Silver - General Members. The membership fee

structure

will be graduated based on the services provided. As an example, Platinum

- Participating

Members will be elgible for all services and will hence, pay the highest

membership fee.

Gold- Associate Members will be elgible for "core" services and the fee

will be less

accordingly. Finally, Silver - General Members will be elgible for "basic"

services only

and will pay the lowest fee. In addition, Platinum and Gold members will

receive a

discount on membership renewal.

4.0 CIX ORGANIZATION

To facilitate responsiveness to local issues, the CIX will have both

national chapters and

an international chapter, i.e., CIX International (CIXI).

4.1 CIX International

The following activities will be executed or settled by CIXI:

1.) Advocate CIX interest with international standards and policy

bodies, e.g., ISOC, ISO.

2.) Host a yearly conference

3.) Publish CIX International Monthly News Letter

CIXI leadership will initially consist of a board, Chairman of the board,

President,

Treasurer and Secretary. There are no restrictions on the number of

positions that an

individual may hold to facilitate the establishment of CIX International.

Leadership

positions may only be filled by CIX National officers.

CIXI leadership will initially be filled by the current CIX leadership to

facilitate initial

operations. The first elections for CIXI positions will be held at INET'95

in Hawaii.

CIXI leadership positions will be uncompensated. Their direct expenses in

the conduct

of CIXI business will be reimburseable.

CIXI offices will be co-located with CIX-USA to facilitate initial CIXI

operations.

Subsequent location will follow the Chairman of the Board's host country.

CIX national members may set the dues of their members. CIX International

funding will

be derived from the number of individual members, e.g., $1,000/year for

each member of

each CIX. (Exact amount needs to be computed).

4.2 National CIX Chapters

4.2.1 USA Chapter

See existing by laws.

5.0 RULES OF CONDUCT

CIX Members agree to the following policies:

Membership in CIX USA should *require* adherence to the following rules of

conduct.

The "Member of CIX" designation should be a sign of quality and good service. A

member who repeatedly violates the rules of conduct should be subject to

termination by

the Board of Directors. This may be indicative of providing service

unethically or

providing inferior service.

The rules of membership:

1) Members agree to make "best efforts" in maintaining universal

connectivity the

standard of conduct.

2) Members of CIX should not be engaged in any form of racial, political or

religious

discrimination or any discriminatiol based on contents of customer

communications (i.e.

follow the letter and spirit of the 1986 Electronic Privacy Act).

3) Facilitating Customer's Freedom of Choice

CIX members should not exploit technical problems of other ISPs to prevent

customers

from switching to another service providers and should not make the

associated costs

prohibitly high. Cooperation in cut-over procedures to make it easy for

customers is a

must. CIX should make reasonable efforts in advertising that provider's

membership in

CIX guarantees its customers freedom of choice.

4) Joint Troubleshooting

CIX members agree to promptly troubleshoot problems in their networks

discovered or

diagnosed by other ISPs or their customers.

5) Maintaining Integrity of Routing and Domain Name Service

In no case should CIX members willfully announce routes or change DNS

registration

without the consent of the previous service provider. Most mistakes and

misunderstandings occur when consent is not given. Other cases may fall

under provision

in 3) above "Facilitating Customer's Freedom of Choice".

6) Cooperation in Fighting Network Terrorism and Other Electronic

Communications-

Related Criminal Activities

CIX members should cooperate in detection, investigation and prevention of

aforementioned activities with each other, non-CIX members and other

corporate security

departments and law enforcement organizations. CIX members agree to make a

customer's participation in such activities a sufficient reason for

immediate service

termination.

CIX members may elect not to communicate with service providers which refuse to

participate in maintaining the abuse-free networking (even if it is at odds

with achieving

the universal connectivity).

6.0 ASSOCIATION SERVICES

6.1 Regulatory & Legislative

The CIX will encourage use of the Internet for business applications by

lobbying for the

following:

- Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) status

- Minimizing competition from federal and state networks

- Ammending Telemedicine/FDA law to support interstate

- Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service definition

- Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA)

features for ISPs

- Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture

features for ISPs

- Assurance of Privacy

- Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT)

- Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless standards/regulations

The CIX will meet with various Government Agencies, e.g., FCC, NSF,

Commerce, and

other Associations (FARNET, ISOC, National Exchange Carrier Standards

Association

(NCSA), US Telephone Association, National Cable Television Association (NCTA),

Information Industry Association, Industrial Telecommunications

Association, Personal

Communications Industry Association), public interst groups (Consumer

Federation of

America), and Think Tanks(Economic Strategy Institute) to convey standing

6.1.1 Maintenance of Enhanced Service Provider (ESP) Status

Issue: Enhanced Service providers (ESPs) such as Tymnet, CompuServe and

SprintNet,

have paid LECs end-user rates for switched access in contrast to

Interexchange Carriers

(IXC) who pay for switched access on a per minute basis. The difference

between rates

is an order of magnitude. ESPs have enjoyed this status because of the

requirement for

public policy to foster an "on-line nation". LECs have advocated a uniform switched

access policy whereby ESPs would pay the same rates as the IXCs because

facilities are

consumed indentically.

CIX Position: CIX advocates maintenance of differential switched access rates.

CIX Strategy: Meet with FCC Common Carrier Bureau to describe our emerging ISP

industry. Statistics needed.

6.1.2 Minimizing Competition from Federal and State Networks

Issue: The Federal Government has historically operated its own networks

for both

security and economic reasons. Unfortunately, some agencies have expanded

their

networking mission scope to include providing Internet access to

universities and

contractors. Various states, e.g., North Carolina, are either building or

advocating the

construction of state-wide information Highways where Internet services to

state

insitutions and affiliated citizens are included.

CIX Position: CIX advocates Government withdrawl from the commercial

marketplace.

CIX Strategy: Meet with DOD, NASA, NSF, DOE and describe position. Prepare

position paper for issuance to State governments advocating industry

fulfilment of

connectivity requirements.

6.1.3 Ammending Telemedicine/FDA Law to Support Interstate

Issue: Existing state laws prohibit usage of physicians across state

boundaries. This

dramatically reduces the viability of telemedicine technologies. Also, FDA

has included

telemedicine systems withing their regulatory scope. This may greatly

decrease the

development and use of such systems. See attached article by Brock Meeks.

CIX Position: CIX advocates national standards for use of telemedicine systems.

CIX Strategy: Meet with FDA to describe position. Meet with NII management to

coordinate position.

6.1.4 Exclusion of Internet from Basic Service Definition

Issue: Universal Service of dial tone has been a national goal for decades

and has been

essentially achieved through a complicated system of settlements and cross

subsidies. As

Congress debates new telecommunications policy, the subject of Universal

Service is

highly visible. In order for LECs to be competitive with "unregulated"

carriers they must

be freed of their Universal Service responsibilities. Consequently, the

current debate is

how to provide affordable service while "freeing" the LECs so that they may

compete.

During the debate about Universal Service the subject of expanding the

definition has

repeatedly surfaced to include Internet access. Such a definition would

dramatically alter

the profile of the current ISP industry.

Included in the category of interest is the subject of Rural Datafication.

CIX Position: Internet access should not be included within any definition

of Universal

Service. Rural datafication initiative will be examined to assure

fulfilment of service

requirements by commercial sources, i.e., no networks dedicated to

servicing rural

requirements.

CIX Strategy: Meet with legislative branch to describe position.

Coordinate position

with other associations. Respond to position papers, e.g., Teleport

Universal Access

Assurance II, A Blue Print for Action.

6.1.5 Assurance of LEC Open Network Architecture (ONA) Features for ISPs

Issue: To facilitate LEC and IXC competition the FCC has established an Open

Network Architecture (ONA) policy which seperates access features. For

example, CO

colocation and signaling system access services are provided to LEC

competitors. There

may be ONA features the ISP industry needs but is not included within ONA

provisions.

CIX Position: Examine ONA to determine desireability and suitability for

ISPs.

Example, colocation may only be available to facilities-based carriers; but

would the

membership want this capability?

CIX Strategy: Insufficient information at this time. Review ONA

provisions and report

to the membership with synopsis and proposed strategy.

6.1.6 Assurance of CATV Open Network Architecture Features for ISPs

Issue: LECs have FCC-mandated ONA provisions to provide unbundled exchange

features to alternative access providers and IXCs. The purpose of this regulation is to

facilitate economic interoperability between LECs and other (perhaps

facilities-based)

carriers. The rationale for such regulation is the LECs control of

"bottleneck" access

facilities. It is probable that CATV companies will also acquire similar

status whereby

the economic environment is transformed from a monopoly to an

duopololy/oligopoly.

Thus, CATV access features may also need to be unbundled.

CIX Position: CATV access should have ESP safeguards similar to the LEC.

CIX Strategy: Examine full duplex CATV systems, and assess openness and

potential impact on ISPs utilizing this access method.

6.1.7 Assurance of Privacy

Issue: In 1994 there were three privacy-based executive/legislative

initiatives impacting

the ISP industry: Clipper Chip, Wire Tapping and Content Restriction. The

Clipper

Chip would have resulted in devices which would include a US

Government-breakable

encryption method. The Wire Tapping legislation would have required

service providers

to provide provisions for the FBI to intercept traffic. Content

Restrictions provisions in

the Telecommunications legislation (HR3636?) would have required ESPs to

"filter-out"

offensive traffic (as Prodigy does).

CIX Position: No to the Clipper Chip because of the uncertainty it would

introduce into

the marketplace. No current position on Wire Tapping. No to Content

Restrictions.

CIX Strategy: Position papers on each of the above for dissemination

throughtout

Executive/legislative.

6.1.8 Exclusion of Internet from LEC Video Dial Tone (VDT)

Issue: LECs are submitting the FCC applications for the provision of home

intra LATA

Video Dial Tone (VDT) services. Video Dial Tone is supposed to provide

subscribers

access to video content providers. In 4Q94 the FCC established accounting

rules which

CATV industry opposes because of allowable cost ambiguity and application

timing

(applications to the FCC may be made after the system is built rather than

before). It is

possible that such a system could include Internet access capabilities,

ee.g., for the

purpose of signaling/ordering. Obviously, inclusion of this capability

would have a

devistating impact of non-facilities-based ISPs.

CIX Position: LEC VDT services should not be allowed to include Internet

access

capabilities.

CIX Strategy: Review LEC applications and objective to the FCC if Internet

access is

either explicit or implicit.

6.1.9 Internet-friendly PCS/Wireless Standards/Regulations

Issue: The PCS industry is new and likely to change as the technology and

market

requirements become better understood.

CIX Position: Like wireless and CATV access, PCS regulation/rules should

be friendly

to the ISP industry.

CIX Strategy: Understand and follow PCS regulation/legislation and assess

impact to

ISP industry. Meet with PCS association. Report to membership findings and

recommendations.

6.2 Operational/Connectivity

6.2.1 Universal Connectivity Policy:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Issue: CIX USA is a trade organization which facilitates universal

connectivity through

settlment-free exchange of traffic at major IntereXchange Points (IXPs).

It should be

made clear that connecting to an IXP does *not* guarantee universal

connectivity;

bilaterial agreements on transit (with settlments) may be required. So --

nation- or world-

wide NSPs have a choice of maintaining the presense on all key IXPs or

entering bilaterial

transit agreements with other large NSPs. Small ISPs will have a choice

between

connecting to a single IXP and making appropriate transit agreements to

reach universal

connectivity or to become a customer of a large NSP which maintains universal

connectivity of its own (or combination of both).

The competition between large NSPs should keep costs of universal connectivity

reasonable for small ISPs. The goal of the settlment-free exchange rule is

to ensure the

competition is fair and is in the field of providing cheaper or better

service instead of

"routing wars".

Membership in CIX does not guarantee obtaining universal connectivity per se;

it merely is a statement of "fair trade practices".

Non-Discriminatory Service Policy:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CIX USA members should not make resale of Internet connectivity a condition for

refusing service or making unreasonable demands. It would not be

unreasonable for

customers to pay different prices as a function of their status, i.e., end

user v. service

provider.

Disputes:

~~~~~~~~~

CIX USA may act as a public arbiter for resolution of member's disputes;

however, CIX's

decisions have no legal binding force and may result only in notices to

member(s) or

terminating membership of a member who is found to willfully violate the CIX

membership rules.

6.2.2 Infrastruture

The CIX will provide an infrastructure that the membership believes is

necessary to

conduct business. Today, this infrastructure includes a router-based

interconnection

point to facilitate multilateral routing.

Appendix B provides a draft multilateral peering agreement that would be in

effect at this

point. CIX will provide any infrastructure services to the membership by

contracting-

out. Appendix A describes in detail the rationale and strategy for

infrastructure.

Other CIX infrastructure services may include

- Route registry, e.g., all CIX members must register

their routes.

- Route Server (in lieu of a CIX router)

- Root Name Server (optional)

- Certification/Audit (Practices)

- Cross Realm Security, Key Distribution

(if a future requirement)

CIX will provide to members technical coordination of this service. CIX

will participate

in the NANOG, IEPG and other operational forums. CIX will examine IETF ISP-

applicable RFCs to assure consistency with commercial requirements.

6.3 Sales/Marketing

6.3.1 Participate in Market/Technology projects, e.g., NII

Issue: There numerous technology demonstration programs, (e.g., National

Information

Infrastructure) which have focused on demonstrating commerciality of

technologies such

as ATM for purposes such as telemedicine. The CIX association should become

involved in the NII for the purpose of including off-the-shelf IP

technology in their

demonstration projects.

6.3.2 Evaluate Electronic Commerce Proposals

6.3.3 ISP Industry Statistics

Industry and market statistics are necessary for members to develop

business plans and

aqcuire financing. The Association will contract with a firm to develop

the following

example statistics:

1) Revenue

2) Forecasts

3) Number of access private lines

4) Aggregate backbone capacity

5) Number of dial ports

6) Rates (dial and private line)

6.3.4 CIX Newsletter

- News Highlights

- Congress and the Administration

- Financial and Corporate

- General

- Global Services

- Network Services and Technologies

- On-Line Services and Technologies

- State-level activities

- Infrastructure

A complete description of the CIX News Letter is provided in Appendix C.

6.4 Financial

For CIX members to obtain financing it will be necessary to have a

comprehensive

understanding of the firm's financial performance. For example, a

business case for

expansion should include parameters such as gross/net/operating margins,

net present

value (exit), ROI, and a description of cash flow. A common, accepted

business case

format may be useful to facilitate financing. A complete description of a

business case

seminar/guidelines is provided in Appendix D.

7.0 CONCLUSION

Like telephony 100 years ago, the Internet Service provider (ISP) industry

is poised for

delivery of services essential to conducting business and enhancing the

quality of life.

The continuance of a healthy, growing ISP industry is dependent upon

maintenance of

global connectivity, afforadble local access, implementable and supportable

technical

standards, applicability to business needs (privacy), unambiguous AUPs, and

cooperation with Government missions. The CIX will work across

legislative/regulatory,

operational, sales/marketing and financial areas to facilitate CIX member

fulfilment of

customer requirements. The CIX will organize to be responsive to local needs within the

framework of global requirements.

Commercial Internet Exchange Association Page 12

Proprietary

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

Message-Id: <199502220514.AA20632@fracas.cogwheel.com>

To: cix-board@cix.org, cix-members@cix.org, apng-commercial@apng.org

Subject: My thoughts on the CIX Draft Strategic Plan for what it's worth..

Gee, the cix-members list sure has been quiet lately. Well, in respect of this

silence, I shall post my opinions on the Strategic Plan out-of-band:

http://www.cogwheel.com/~coggs/private/strat1review.txt

Sorry for the delay, but there was alot there to digest.

..c

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

Message-Id: <199503111545.AA03233@fracas.cogwheel.com>

To: JACKSON%TOKVMAPG@vnet.IBM.COM, E05477%TOKVMIC2@vnet.IBM.COM,

E05477%TOKVMIC2@vnet.IBM.COM, agoston@vnet.IBM.COM, barb@labyrinth.com,

trent@xor.com, jhart@teal.csn.net (John Hart), feline@eskimo.com,

bives@SUN.CIS.SMU.EDU, ho@tech.iupui.edu,

laszlo@alumni.cs.colorado.edu, mpr@HK.Super.NET, huntting@glarp.com,

dcm@HK.Super.NET, apng-commercial@apng.org

Subject: HK Internet provider crack-down.

> (HONG KONG, Friday, March 3, 1995)--The Office of Telecommunications

> Authority (OFTA) in coorperation with the Commercial Crime Bureau

> (CCB) have shut down the following companies in Hong Kong providing

> Internet access: Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services (HKIGS) hk.net

> Hong Kong Link InfoLink Ilink, Internet Online Hong Kong Cybernet

> Internet Connections, Asia Online

>

>Of these Asia Online and HKIGS had most of their equipment taken away

>by the police. An estimated 5000 to 8000 users have been affected.

>An other company, Hong Kong Linkage have volentarily closed.

>

>The only access to the Net is via the Universeties and HK SUPERNET.

>

Sorry, I've been out of town. Having founded HK Supernet, but

now on my own as a consultant still based in HK, I have some

perspective on this..

IMHO, the situation is very simple:

In the very early phase of

researching what it took to set up an ISP here, we found out about

a so-called PNETS license which was required by the government.

This PNETs license was very general in its wording, however it

was clear that we should apply for it.

The application asks for information which basically ensures that the

applicant has the technical and financial competence to deliver a public

service.

The annual fee for the license is less than US$200 per year.

It took probably less than 16 staff hours to complete.

Why the other HK providers choose not to bother with the PNETS license

is something you'll have to take up with them. I'm sure they

have some creative excuses.

Morale of the story 1: find out if your HK ISP has a PNETs license.

Well, there is an easy way to determine this right now.

I think all one has to do is visit HK to understand that all these

events are quite ordinary: Gov't complacency toward law enforcement

followed by full-blown raids. Poor attitudes about compliance with

the law by local business followed by boisterous defiance by those caught

breaking it.. All faithfully amplified by the local

press who often fails to sort the signal from the noise and

provide the very vital critical analysis..

What follows is a refutation of some things I read

in a posting someone forwarded to me: I think these allegations have

come up only because there is a certain amount of 'sour grapes'

amongst the other providers, currently.

HK Supernet did raise a complaint to the government asking why they

didn't enforce the PNETS license. No collusion. No string-pulling.

Any other provider or citizen could have done the same thing.

HK Supernet has not and has never used any monies from inappropriate

sources. Its parent corporation, HK UST R&D Corporation is a

legal entity subject to, and operating under the corporate laws of HK.

HK Supernet is an example of it filling its mission of commercialization

and technology transfer from the HK University of Sci and Tech to

the HK private sector.

--

== Bob Coggeshall == Cogwheel Inc. (Hong Kong) == coggs@hongkong.cogwheel.com

== Internet consulting & product development featuring "Internet Appliances" ==

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From: bcoggs@hq.si.net (Bob Coggeshall)

Subject: 2nd APNIC Meeting

This is to confirm that the APNG-commercial meeting in Hawaii will occur partly

merged with APNIC's meeting. apng-commercial-only topics will be covered in

the morning, with the joint issue of APNIC funding to occur in the afternoon.

APNIC doesn't have a sponsor, so there is a small fee associated with

joint sessions. You should also be prepared to pay US$65 at the door if you

intend to attend the afternoon joint sessions. That fee gets you food

of some sort on Sunday, so far as I am to understand

CALL FOR ACTIVITY REPORTS

As activity reports from commercial entities take up most of apng-commericial's

agenda, reports will be restricted to 10 mins including Q/A. Please let me

know if you intend to make a report. It can be on anything to do with

commerical internetworking in asia. I specifically need a report on what

happened at CIX.

The registration form was sent to apng-all. If you didn't receive it,

let me know, and I'll forward it to you.

Also, apng-commercial will start 1/2 hour early (8:30am).

..c

>Jul 1 Joint APNG Commercial/APNIC Meeting Agenda

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>08:30 APNG Commercial Provider Status/Reports

>

>

>11:30 APNG Commercial Inter meeting reports (CIX, CIXI, etc.)

>

>

>12:00 APNG Commercial Commercial Applications

>

>

>12:30 APNG Commercial End Housekeeping (joint ventures meet

> off-line)

>

>1:00 APNG Commercial Lunch

>

>

>2:30 APNG Commercial/APNIC Introductions

>

>

>2:45 APNG Commercial/APNIC Minutes Review

>

>

>3:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC Agenda Bashing

>

>

>3:15 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Status

>

>

>3:45 APNG Commercial/APNIC Coffee Break

>

>

>4:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Funding Proposal

>

>

>4:15 APNG Commercial/APNIC APNIC Funding Discussions

>

>

>5:00 APNG Commercial/APNIC Adjourn

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Jul 2 APNIC Meeting Agenda

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>8:30 APNIC APNIC Sunday Brunch (Hanohano Room)

>

>

>10:00 APNIC Address Allocation Policies

>

>

>11:00 APNIC National NIC Status Reports (20 minutes each)

>

> AUNIC

> JPNIC

> KRNIC

>

>12:00 APNIC Lunch

>

>

>1:30 APNIC Provisional NIC Status Reports (10 min. each)

>

> INNIC

> MYNIC

> NZNIC

> SGNIC

> THNIC

> TWNIC

>

>2:30 APNIC National NIC Requirements

>

>3:00 APNIC FAQ Review

>

>3:30 APNIC Break

>

>4:00 APNIC Miscellaneous (10 min. each)

>

> Confidentiality

> Services

> Joint Projects

> Next Meeting (APRICOT)

> AOB

>

>5:00 APNIC Adjourn

>

>

>

>

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

Message-Id: <199506270353.AA02062@fracas.cogwheel.com>

To: apng-commercial@apng.org

Subject: APNG Beijing Fall 94 meeting draft minutes

We will seek to finalize this draft of the minutes at the apng-commercial

meeting on Saturday in Honolulu. Comments corrections, pls email me

before then

Also, will some reliable person who wants to become famous please

volunteer to record the minutes ? You simply need to take notes and type them

in later.

..c

===

MINUTES OF THE ASIA PACIFIC NETWORKING GROUP APNG-061-Draft.1

COMMERCIAL WORKING GROUP 1995.1.12

BEIJING MEETING, NOVEMBER, 1994 Bob Coggeshall

The ap-commercial meeting was held as part of the APNG meeting

at Tsinghua University in Beijing, PRC. Mr. Bob Coggeshall

(coggs@cogwheel.com) served as chair for the meeting.

Ms. Wendy Lin (wendylin@hk.super.net) recorded the minutes.

As this was the first meeting there was no previous business.

The following topics were taken up:

1) APNIC assistance models

2) Country/provider status

3) International leased circuit costs

4) Ap-commercial net presence

5) The travelling businessman plan

6) Housekeeping issues

7) Interexchage/Settlement concerns

1) APNIC ASSISTANCE MODELS

Mr David Conrad talked about APNIC funding. The APNIC is

made up of volunteers. It requires a budget to continue functioning

He proposed a scheme whereby APNIC would charge for network

address space. A routing registry which charged for routing table

space was also mentioned. Feedback was solicited.

Mr Wen Sung Chen proposed to charge the work load to each member

Mr Bob Coggshall proposed that PTTs and multinational telecommunications

with vested interest in rapid and orderly development of Internetworking]

in the region be approached for funding. He said he will try

to develop this proposal further and submit it to the group

for review.

Will discuss further by email

2) COUNTRY / PROVIDER STATUS REPORTS

(This took the largest amount of time with each presenter taking between

5 and 45 minutes. Future reports must be more strictly limited.)

1. Mr Thomas Agoston from IBM Japan

IBM global network will have dial up slip service in 15 countries in

1995. Already offer service in Australia, will go to New Zeland, Japan,

Hong Kong, etc.

2. Ms Ong Lai Kuen from Singapore Telecom

SingNet started commercial services in July 1994. They now have

1500 users, dial up only. Sin$ 35/mo, T1 to ANS in USA,

512k to the Singapore R&E network techNet. Will have PPP service

soon..

3. Mr Toshifumi Matsumoto from AT&T Jens (Japan)

ATT Jens started commmercial services in May 1993. They offer UUCP

and IP services. They have 250 UUCP customers, 150 IP customers.

AT&T in the USA is preparing to roll out some form of on-line service.

They may expand services in Hong Kong and AP area.

4. Mr Toru Takahashi from TokyoNet Services will be up in Dec. 94,

only doing dedicated and PPP type connections.

5. Mr Ben Chen from Sprint China

Sprint China will have two 64k from Beijing, Shanghai to SprintLink.

Their backbone is T3. They are assisting the PRC Ministry of Posts

and Telecommunications.

6. Ms Yu-Hsuan Chen from Taiwan Ministry of Education

There are three networks in the area - TANET, HINET, and SEEDNET.

All are for education and research users. TANET has 512k to US,

HINET has 64k to ANS in US.

7. Mr Aaron Cheung formerly of Hong Kong Internet & Gateway Services Ltd

now with Hong Kong Link Communications, Ltd.

HKIGS started services in Oct 1993. It has a 64K to ANS in US,

will be 128k in Jan. 1995. It has 22 leased line customers,

1,000+ dial up customers. A new provider, Hong Kong Link, will be

in service soon, with 128k to ANS in US and a flat rate charging

scheme of HK$288/mo.

8. Mr Tashiro Akira from InfoWeb Japan Offers leased line, dial up,

PPP and UUCP services.

9. Ms Wendy Lin from Hong Kong SuperNet

HK Supernet started services in Nov, 1993. It has a 64k to PSI in US.

A New 256k to Net99 in US will be installed at the end of Nov. 94.

6 dedicated customers, 1700 dial-up customers.

They offer shell accounts, SLIP/PPP and UUCP.

10. Mr Zhao Xiaofan from China UNICOM

Was founded four month agao, will provide Internet services.

They are free to compete with the MPT.

3) INTERNATIONAL LEASED CIRCUIT COSTS (ILCs)

Mr Bob Coggeshall explained that most AP Internet leased

data circuits go to the US because they are almost always

less expensive than links between non US countries. It was

concluded that this was due to market forces and agreements

set forth by the International Telecommunications Union and

without someone expert in such matters, there was not much

that our group could do to change things.

4) AP COMMERCIAL NET PRESENCE

Mr Bob Coggeshall raised the concern that the APNG documents

were not available in WWW form.

Mr Tommi Chen from offered to report back on what needed to be done.

5) JIN JO HUR's TRAVELLING BUSINESSMAN PLAN

Jin Jo Hur (jhhur@sol.inet.co.kr) who could not be at the meeting

asked Mr Bob Coggeshall to explain his proposal to make Internetworking

in Asia easier for the traveller by coordinating commercial providers

through a one-stop service which would let them obtain temporary

accounts with providers in all the countries they plan to be in.

6) HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES

In the light of the elections process of APNG being formalized,

Mr Bob Coggshall wished to emphasize that he was only the

*interim* coordinator of the ap-commercial WG.

Concerns were raised for the need to formalize APNG as it grows.

These concerns were passed on to the APNG chair at the

general meeting.

7) INTEREXCHANGE/SETTLEMENT CONCERNS

Mr Bob Coggeshall and Mr David Conrad gave their views on

current events within the Commercial Internet Exchange and its

impact on AP commercial providers. It was explained that

CIX membership was not mandatory, and that AP providers still had to

make transit agreements with USA backbone providers in any case.

In Japan and HK however, there are already providers who allow resale.

This obviates the need for one's own international leased circuit

and also an agreement with a USA backbone provider)

Mr Coggeshall proposed forming a consortium of AP commercial

providers to ensure settlement-free exchange among themselves

(except where sharing of bandwidth required it) and also

provide leverage when negotiating exchange agreements with other

global network and backbone operators.

ATTENDEES

matsumoto@spin.ad.jp Toshifumi Matsumoto AT&T Jens (Japan)

lkong@singnet.com.sg Ong Lai Kuen Singapore Telecom

aki@web.ad.jp Akira Tashiro Fujitsu (Japan)

ysuzuki@secom.sis.co.jp Yuichi Suzuki Secom Infon Systems (Japan)

tojo@surigiken.co.jp Tojo Iwao Surigiken Co., Ltd.(Japan)

ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp Harushia Ishida University of Tokyo (Japan)

hdy@tsinghua.edu.cn Hu Daoyuan TsingHua University (PRC)

toru@interop.co.jp Toru Takahashi IAJ/Interop/TokyoNet

wendylin@hk.super.net Wendy Lin Hong Kong Supernet (HK)

liou@iiidns.iii.org.tw Albert Liou III (Taiwan)

candy@moersz.edu.tw Erin Chen TWNIC/MOE (Taiwan)

quan-ming@sprint.sprint.com Ben Chen Sprint China

ccykwok@cityu.edu.hk CY Kwok City Univ of Hong Kong

chehoocheng@cuhk.hk CH Cheng The Chinese Univ of HK

joel@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Joseph Leung HK Kong Baptist University

hcxchpt@hkucc.hku.hk PT Ho University of HK

tommi@technet.sg Tommi Chen Net Centre (S'pore)

agoston@vnet.ibm.com Tom Agoston IBM Global Networks Japan

aaron@hklink.net Aaron Ceung HK Link Communications

coggs@hk.super.net Bob Coggeshall Cogwheel Hong Kong.

Xiao Fan Zhao ChinaCom / Unicom (PRC)

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>>>> who apng-commercial

Members of list 'apng-commercial':

almes@ans.net,

rick@uunet.uu.net,

rcollet@icm1.icp.net,

washburn@cix.org,

ikoh@halla.dacom.co.kr,

tommi@solomon.technet.sg,

fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th,

phon@ipied.tu.ac.th,

G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au,

liou@tpts1.seed.net.tw,

rafee@mimos.my,

gihan@cse.mrt.ac.lk,

coggs@HK.Super.NET,

J.Houlker@waikato.ac.nz,

matsumoto%spin.ad.jp@nic.ad.jp,

chehoocheng@cuhk.hk,

akazawa@who.ch,

davidc@iij.ad.jp (Japan, Internet Initiatives Japan),

lim@solomon.technet.sg,

jsq@tic.com (MIDS, John Quarterman),

tho@iscs.nus.sg (Singapore, Nat'l Univ. of Singapore, Thomas I. M. Ho),

apng-sec,

chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr,

"| cat >> /home/ftp/apng/mail.archive/apng-commercial"

netmog@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Masami Ogawa)

Michelle Chiang <michelle@solomon.technet.sg>

Jeff Smith - Bridge To Asia <jasmith@well.sf.ca.us>

Woohyung Choi <whchoi>

lwbbs@shakti.ncst.ernet.in

agoston@vnet.IBM.COM

Barry Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

Lim Gek Meng <gmlim@singnet.com.sg>

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To: apng-all@apng.org

Subject: Re: Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)

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> From: APNG Secretariat <apng-sec@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>

>

> Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes

>

> apng-commercial

>

> See the working group meeting minutes for further information.

Don't look too hard for apng-commercial's. They don't exist yet. I

promise that they will be ready within the next 1,209,600 seconds.

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> From: APNG Secretariat <apng-sec@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr>

>

> Honolulu APNG General Meeting Minutes

>

> apng-commercial

>

> See the working group meeting minutes for further information.

Don't look too hard for apng-commercial's. They don't exist yet. I

promise that they will be ready within the next 1,209,600 seconds.

= Bob Coggeshall = Cogwheel Hong Kong = coggs@cogwheel.com = Tel:+852.2358.8263

= Fax: +852.2719.3343 = http://www.cogwheel.com/~coggs/coggs.html =============

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From: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

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To: apng-commercial@apng.org

Subject: Date for ap-commercial

Greetings,

The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21

in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )

and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).

The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.

..c

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To: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

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Subject: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

--------------------------------------------------

APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE

--------------------------------------------------

The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu

in July '95 are now available for review:

http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt

Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for

correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.

---------------------------------------------

APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION

---------------------------------------------

Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30

Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore

442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766

Fax: (65) 733 5482

PROPOSED AGENDA

- Agenda

- Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes

- Country & Other Reports

- ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)

- Operational Issues

- Security Incident

- Routing

- Interexchanges

- Quality of Service

- Intercommunications

- Functional Issues

- Legal Information

- Prosecuting Hackers

- Content Liability

- Education

- Development

- Organizational Issues

- On-line Presence

- Email list

- Binding w/ other orgs

- Future Directions

- Charter

- Elections

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:47 +0800 (SST)

From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

apricot-info@apricot.net

Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

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OK

Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!

Barry

On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu

> in July '95 are now available for review:

>

> http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt

>

> Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for

> correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.

>

> ---------------------------------------------

> APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION

> ---------------------------------------------

>

> Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30

> Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore

> 442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766

> Fax: (65) 733 5482

>

> PROPOSED AGENDA

>

> - Agenda

>

> - Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes

>

> - Country & Other Reports

>

> - ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)

>

> - Operational Issues

>

> - Security Incident

> - Routing

> - Interexchanges

> - Quality of Service

> - Intercommunications

>

> - Functional Issues

>

> - Legal Information

> - Prosecuting Hackers

> - Content Liability

>

> - Education

>

> - Development

>

> - Organizational Issues

>

> - On-line Presence

> - Email list

> - Binding w/ other orgs

> - Future Directions

> - Charter

> - Elections

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

*****************************************************************************

Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice

Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax

Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg

From apng-sec Sat Jan 13 17:56:12 1996

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To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>, apng-commercial@apng.org,

apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net, apricot-info@apricot.net

From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

Since we don't enough time (just 4 hours), I would like to put

Organizational Issues (esp. Charter and related stuffs) before coffee break.

Like right after ISP report while ISP reports be kept to minimum (like 30

minutes)

unless a compelling reason arises.

There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational

Issues and Future directions. So, we may discuss it before coffee break, and

utilize coffee break to settle down on some hot issues.

Jin Ho Hur

At 12:05 PM 96/01/13 +0800, Bob Coggeshall wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------

>APNG-COMMERCIAL HONOLULU MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE

>--------------------------------------------------

>

> The draft minutes from the apng-commercial meeting held in Honolulu

> in July '95 are now available for review:

>

> http://sqpc1.ust.hk/apng-commercial/meeting-mins-sum95.txt

>

> Presenters that were at that meeting are encouraged to check for

> correctness of their sections and mail me any changes ASAP.

>

>---------------------------------------------

>APNG-COMMERCIAL SINGAPORE MEETING INFORMATION

>---------------------------------------------

>

> Date / Time: Sunday, January 21st 13:30 - 17:30

> Location: Orchard Ballroom, level 3, Orchard Hotel, Singapore

> 442 Orchard Road, Singapore 238879, Tel: (65) 734 7766

> Fax: (65) 733 5482

>

> PROPOSED AGENDA

>

> - Agenda

>

> - Review of June '95 Honolulu Minutes

>

> - Country & Other Reports

>

> - ISP Reports (LIMITED SLOTS. YOU MUST PRE-RESERVE)

>

> - Operational Issues

>

> - Security Incident

> - Routing

> - Interexchanges

> - Quality of Service

> - Intercommunications

>

> - Functional Issues

>

> - Legal Information

> - Prosecuting Hackers

> - Content Liability

>

> - Education

>

> - Development

>

> - Organizational Issues

>

> - On-line Presence

> - Email list

> - Binding w/ other orgs

> - Future Directions

> - Charter

> - Elections

>

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>

=========================================================================

Jin Ho Hur e-mail: jhhur@inet.co.kr

President & CEO, I*Net Technologies tel: +82-2-538-6941

"Getting Everyone Wired" fax: +82-2-538-6942

=========================================================================

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To: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

apricot-info@apricot.net

> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:47 +0800 (SST)

> From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

> To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

> Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

>

> Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!

Because, back in December it was announced:

> Date: Fri Dec 22 13:59:39 1995

> From: coggs

> To: apng-commercial@apng.org

> Subject: Date for ap-commercial

>

> Greetings,

>

> The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21

> in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )

> and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).

>

> The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.

>

> ..c

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To: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

apricot-info@apricot.net

> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900

> From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

>

> There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational

> Issues and Future directions.

Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will

enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is

adequate time for the open-ended stuff.

..c

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To: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

Cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

apricot-info@apricot.net

> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900

> From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

>

> There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational

> Issues and Future directions.

Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will

enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is

adequate time for the open-ended stuff.

..c

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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

cc: apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org, apricot-oc@apricot.net,

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Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

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Hello Bob,

I understand that it was annouced eariler, but that still does not answer

the question of why it is not in the main program?

Barry

On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:

> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:47 +0800 (SST)

> > From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

> > To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

> > Subject: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

> >

> > Now I'm confused. Why isn't this in the main APNG program!

>

> Because, back in December it was announced:

>

> > Date: Fri Dec 22 13:59:39 1995

> > From: coggs

> > To: apng-commercial@apng.org

> > Subject: Date for ap-commercial

> >

> > Greetings,

> >

> > The ap-commercial meeting will be held on Sunday, January 21

> > in Singapore, after APRICOT ( http://www.apricot.net/apricot/ )

> > and before APNG general ( http://irdu.nus.sg/apng/ ).

> >

> > The location for the meeting will be announced shortly.

> >

> > ..c

>

*****************************************************************************

Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice

Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax

Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg

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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <barry@singnet.com.sg>

To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>

cc: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>, apng-commercial@apng.org, apng-all@apng.org,

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Subject: Re: Re: apng-commercial singapore meeting info + honolulu minutes

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Hello Bob,

Actually I agree with Jin Ho Hur. Most people are going to know what is

going on in the ISP world after the APRICOT/APOPS/APNIC meetings. It

sounds like that are some serious issues to take care of. Get down to

business and save the marketing for last.

Barry

On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Bob Coggeshall wrote:

> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:52:25 +0900

> > From: Jin Ho Hur <jhhur@nuri.net>

> >

> > There may (I personally am sure) arise a lot of discussions on Organizational

> > Issues and Future directions.

>

> Noted. I feel however, the most open-ended stuff should go last. We will

> enforce strict time limits on routine stuff and make sure there is

> adequate time for the open-ended stuff.

>

> ..c

>

*****************************************************************************

Barry Raveendran Greene (65) 471-9802 voice

Manager - SingNet/STIX Business Unit (65) 475-3273 fax

Singapore Telecom barry@singnet.com.sg

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Cc: apng-all@apng.org, apng-commercial@apng.org, apricot-info@apricot.net,

apricot-oc@apricot.net

This is simply due to the fact that Bob has to leave early (on 21 night or 22).

Haruhisa Ishida ishida@u-tokyo.ac.jp

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To: Bob Coggeshall <coggs@HongKong.Cogwheel.COM>, apng-commercial@apng.org

From: sfitzger@cix.org (Susan Fitzgerald) (by way of toru@tokyonet.ad.jp (Toru Takahashi))

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As you know, Susan Fitzgerald is attending APRICOT.

We can discuss with her about AP-CIX activity.

Toru Takahashi

--------------------Forward----------------------------------

Hello Toru -

I am also sorry that you will not be able to attend the CIX Member meeting.

CIX will have a representative at the APNG meeting. If it is on Sunday, I

would be able to attend. If the meeting is on Monday or Tuesday, Barb

Dooley or Brian Brown will attend. I look forward to seeing you. Please

come by our booth at the show.

Respectfully,

Susan Fitzgerald

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Dear Gentlemen

I would like you to help me to find out, Korea's Companies who want to have a commercial relatioship with my company in Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.

My Company is a reseller computers one, its name is FI - FRYDMAN INFORMATICA LTDA., so I would like to receive Korean Products Price Lists, related with computers, , in order to allow me to buy, and then sell in Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.

The company address is: Av. 13 de maio, 13 sala 711 - Centro - Rio de Janeiro - Brasil

Thank You

Terezinha Regina Frydman

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